I have always been against the removal of reforging. Despite the countless posts made about it I still do not understand blizzards reason for removing it and oddly enough every time one of the blues makes a post concerning its removal I understand less why it was removed. It is almost as if they are defending its removal by making me want it back even more with what they say.
Some people love the removal of reforging, some people hate it. We, as the paying and playing customers, have the rights to our opinions. There is nothing wrong about us not agreeing on things because not everyone shares the same opinions. And that is the problem with the blue responses when it comes to reforging. They are taking their opinion (the company line if you will) and saying it is fact.
It is really starting to piss me off that they keep throwing around their opinions as facts when there is, as a fact, entire parts of the community that vocally disagrees with them. They need to stop saying that "reforging was not engaging game play", just because it wasn't for them. That doesn't mean it wasn't for me or many others that would like to see reforging return.
I do not find transmog to be engaging game play, but I don't go around saying it isn't. So they should not go around saying reforging wasn't engaging game play even if was just changing numbers just because they do not find it to be so. That is an opinion, they need to stop spewing that garbage as fact.
Here is the question and answer taken from the blue tracker over at MMOC that bugged me, basically because of the double talk that contradicted itself.
Their original reason for removing Reforging was the fact that everyone was using it solely to maintain Hit and Expertise cap. with those two stats gone, I legitimately see no reason why Reforging cannot be brought back and used in the way it was originally designed for.
That was one part, but the bigger part was that it doesn't actually improve the game experience. There are still soft caps for some stats, but ultimately Reforging just didn't provide any engaging gameplay to get an item and then reforge it to whatever your best stat is based on a sim or recommendation from a website. That's not creating engaging gameplay. If the desire for Reforging is based on "I'd like to make my items better by picking the stats I want more." the simpler answer there, and the one that does create engaging gameplay and interaction with the game world and other players, is "Get better items."
This reply, made by Bashiok, once again show how completely clueless he is.
"The bigger part was that it doesn't actually improve the game experience". I have two responses to this line alone, one short one, and one longer rant. The short one comes first.
How did reforging not improve my game experience? I really would like to hear him explain that. Having better stats for my class and spec made my experience worse? Having more options for upgrades made my experience worse? Having the power to switch from a mastery build to a haste build on the fly made my experience worse?
I want to tap him on the head a few times yelling, think McFly, think. Seriously Baskiok, how did having more options make my game experience worse, I would like to know.
Now to the meat.
"The bigger part was that it doesn't actually improve the game experience" is one loaded line if I ever read one. Who says it doesn't improve the game experience? It sure as hell improves mine. I like when I get a piece of gear and it is an upgrade, I dislike when I get a piece of gear and it is not. I am absolutely sure I am not alone with that sentiment.
When I can get a new item which should be an upgrade and it is not because my lesser item level piece is perfectly itemized but the better item level piece has my two worst secondary stats on it, it sucks. My so called upgrade is actually a down grade, that is not, repeat, not improving my game experience.
With reforging around that piece might, just might, still be an upgrade now. Without reforging it gets disenchanted and is a temporal crystal at best. Is that really something that is helping my over all experience in game? The fact that the one time I can loot the boss that week I won an upgrade that was not actually an upgrade?
There are opinions and we are all entitled to them but saying something like that is not an opinion. You might like reforging, you might hate reforging, that is an opinion. But saying that you removed it for "the bigger part" because it doesn't improve game play is not an opinion, it is an outright falsehood. It is a lie. You are allowed your own opinions but do not lie and call it fact. Do not say it does not improve game play because you do not like it, or because the company line tells you to say that because that is a lie. It might not improve your game play because you dislike it, but to say that because you do not like it that it is fact for everyone when it is not.
Bashiok goes on in the same reply to say if your sole reason for wanting reforging is to get better stats on an item that it would be more engaging game play to go and get better items. But what if the better item you seek does not exists which is the case for a great many slots for a great many classes?
Lets go through this step by step so I can explain how this is double talk and faulty logic.
So he says that getting better items is engaging game play right?
So that means he acknowledges that getting better stuff is engaging game play right?
So if reforging makes better stuff shouldn't that fit into his description of engaging game play?
He said getting better items is engaging game play but in the same breath he says reforging was not engaging game play because it makes items better. That makes absolutely no sense. Does he even have a clue what he is talking about?
So Bashiok, I ask you. Is getting better items engaging game play or not? Can't have it both ways. If getting better items is engaging game play than reforging should return, if getting better items is not engaging game play than reforging should stay gone. I am using your logic here. Now pick a side and stand on it.
If you say getting better items is not engaging game play I will ask you to never upgrade your gear again, because that is not engaging game play. Oh wait, you can't do that because that is what the entire game is about, getting better gear. Guess you were right, getting better items is engaging game play. Guess that means reforging, even if your opinion was you disliked it, is engaging game play as well.
So please stop with the garbage remarks Bashiok and start pushing for reforging to be returned to the game. You said so yourself in the post you made, even if you did not intend to, that reforging is in fact engaging game play. There was no reason for it to be removed in the first place. Reworked, maybe, removed, no.