I did the second wing of SoO last night and had an interesting exchange with someone who was accusing poor scruffy, a hunter pet, of wiping the raid and refused to listen to someone that actually plays the class about how the class works. He kept trying to attack me (well not me personally but every pet class) and I kept shooting back at him in a way he had no way to defend against and he would not let it go. He would not just say, oh, I didn't know that. He had to blame the wipe on scruffy and would not accept it had nothing to do with a pet.
When I said this exchange to a friend he told me I was in the wrong, I should have just let it slide. I said, and not teach people? He said, yes, you should have just let it go.
Normally I am not confrontational and will usually let things go but lately I've just reached the boiling point in the game and I am not just going to sit back and listen to people rip others to inflate their own personal epeen any longer. If a person is wrong, I am going to tell them they are wrong.
So here is the exchange, as best I can remember it. I did stay respectful and oddly enough so did he even if I could tell that he was getting fustrated that I was questioning his LFR hero status of the guy that knows everything.
The exchange is after I joined an already in progress LFR on the last boss of the second wing, General Nazgrim. The person explaining the fight gives a run down of the fight but we still wipe. Our LFR hero (not the person that explained the fight to begin with) starts to rage at the people that kept attacking when he was in defensive stance, rightfully so I will add. There were plenty of the DPS that were more concerned with their own epeen than mechanics, and I hate that crap and they deserve to be bitched at. He repeats it over and over a few times, do not attack when in defensive stance. I agreed with him, he said nothing wrong, so there was no exchange there, but there was next time. The group does better the next time but still wipes.
So now after 2 wipes here we are when the LFR hero starts to pick apart why we wiped. His reasoning was that all the hunters, warlocks and mages pets where still attacking during defensive. He picked hunters to make a point of as there were 5 in the group, me being one of them.
LFR Hero: Are all you hunters brain dead?
LFR Hero: I said do not attack during defensive, that means pets too. They wiped us. Control them.
Me: The pets did not wipe us.
LFR Hero: What is so hard about not attacking when he is in defensive, he gains rage when he is attacked.
Me: Pet attacks do not cause him to gain rage, so that had nothing to do with it.
LFR Hero: Your pets should be on the adds.
Me: Not when all the adds are dead.
LFR Hero: Just don't have your pets attack, they give him rage.
Me: Once again, pet attacks do not give him rage when he is in defensive.
LFR Hero: You can't be sure of that, just take your pets off the boss how hard is that?
Me: Yes I can be sure, pets do not grant rage.
LFR Hero: Have you done it in normal, how can you be sure?
Me: Not yet on normal, but I have in flex and I know how to read.
LFR Hero: Then learn how to read passive and put your pet on passive.
Me: No need, pets do not give him rage. I read the T16 hunter tips and tricks over at MMOC like any decent hunter should and it specifically says that pets can safely attack. I'll take their word over yours thank you very much.
LFR Hero: Just don't have your pets attack, he will go down faster that way.
Me: Actually, if every pet class put their pet on passive and manually sent them to attack him so they stayed on him all the time instead of running all over the place he would go down faster.
LFR Hero: You don't know what you are talking about, how would that make him go down faster.
Me: More damage being dealt to him means his life goes down faster.
LFR Hero: Just take your dam pets off the boss.
Me: No thank you.
The tank pulled after that, we downed him, I made sure to leave my pet on the boss the entire time. I understand the person was trying to do the right thing in helping the group, but giving out the wrong information while noble in theory, is not really helping anyone. Add to that, blaming the wipe on something that could have not even possibly been responsible for it is wrong.
I was nice about it, he was nice about it, no curse words flew out, we just disagreed. I think the rest of the raid was in awe because no one said anything the whole time we had the exchange. They were probably waiting for the curses and insults to start flying but they never did. The ready check popped up in the background, and the pull timer was put up, all while we talked. They just let us go at it.
It is not an isolated incident either. Two other hunters I spoke to said the same thing happened in their LFR. They had someone yelling at them for having their pets attack when he was in defensive. I believe it is our duty, as good hunters, to educate the community about these things and not let someone think he knows everything and blame it on the hunters pet. Sure, our pets have made a mess of things hundreds if not thousands of times, but this is not one of them. I had to stand up for scruffy. The wipe was not his fault.
Do you think I should have done what I normally would do and just not say anything and let the guy rant saying it was the pets fault or do you think I was right trying to educate him?
Either way, we downed the boss and I am sure even if I won that battle I lost the war. Next time he is in there he will most likely blame some pet class for a wipe. Some people just can not learn. Maybe I was wrong, maybe I was wasting my breath, but at least scruffy knows I love him and I stuck up for him, and that is all that matters.
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