Talking with a few guild mates last night on voice chat it occurred to me how different people really are when it comes time to talk about loot in general.
I was mentioning some pugging I did this week, laughing, about how some groups are looking to get people buy saying things like "All Monk loot reserved" or "Agility trinket reserved". I said, it really limited the potential sign up, or could create problems from people that do not read, which is most, reserving loot like that.
Someone said they would never join a pug with reserved loot, even if they were a guaranteed one shot group, even if the loot that was reserved was for a class they were not on, never never never. Another one said they have no problems joining a group with reserves as long as they are all mentioned beforehand. Me, I lean more toward the second person, as long as I know about it before hand than I can make an informed decision on if I want to join or not. Also with coins now at least I would have a chance to roll so even if something is reserved I can still win what I am looking for. In theory anyway.
The comments ran the gambit from one end to the other, some even getting rather hostile over the idea that people would even reserve something. The one logical comment made, and really one I agree with 100%, was "if I helped them down the boss then I have equal rights to all loot that drops from it". I agree completely, unless you are a carry if you helped in the downing of the boss you should have the same right to loot that drops from it as any other person.
I mentioned that when looking for a raiding guild for my horde hunter last expansion I used that same line. I got invited to join a few heroic (now mythic) guilds that offered to trial me. All well and dandy, until they told me that I could not roll on loot for the first 4 to 6 weeks, depending on how the trial goes. No thank you. I do not care if you have downed something 20 times and it is my first time. If I can not roll on loot there is absolutely no reason for me to help you kill the boss.
Needless to say I had a dreadfully hard time finding a guild, but I did end the expansion in nearly all heroic (now mythic) gear because I held out for groups where I would be allowed to roll on gear. I believe, as I said, unless it is a pure carry, if you contribute to the downing of a boss you have the same rights to loot as anyone else there.
So we went back and forth about our opinions on pugs, laughing at some of the requirements they ask for, like the one normal archie group that wanted 740 item level only. Or the one that wanted AotC for normal, not as bad as asking for 740 but lets get real. One of my favorites was a reserve one where the guy put, random loot on reserve. What exactly does that mean? I have no problem joining a group I know there is something on reserve in, but I am not going to join a group that said random loot on reserve. How do I know that what I want to roll on you won't say, "Oh, that is one of the things I reserved, sorry.". Eh, no thanks, I'll pass.
Then we got to talking about our guild and one of the members that just left because being on the topic of loot someone got upset because a player left guild and switched servers after "we geared her up". I told him not to think of it that way.
Sure we ran a few normal clears to get her gear when she came back to the game and then we carried her through some heroics until she started to get back into the swing of things, but she tried her best based on the gear she had and once geared she did contribute just as much as anyone else in the group. She was a great player and she was starting to get back into the game. Maybe she wanted more.
I do not know were she left to join. Maybe to join a top progression guild again, as we did originally recruit her away from blood legion, and she came to us because she still wanted to be in a good guild but without the hardcore pressure any longer. Or maybe she left to go play with her boyfriend again as she had mentioned she wanted to do for a while, who happens to be horde side, who knows, we did not talk before she left.
Either way, I do not look at it as "we geared her up". I look at it as we helped her gear up as she helped us down bosses. Sure we did run normal a couple of weeks were we could have spent the time getting more gear in heroic or working on progression, sure it sucks losing someone we invested time in, but it is all par for the course if you ask me. It is not last expansion. The raiding scene is dying a painful death as a whole, we are no longer the #1 25 man guild on the server and #3 10 man on the server where people are fighting to come to us, we are just another run of the mill casual raiding guild once more. So people will leave, it is the way it is.
But he got so offended, took it personally, and I think if ever she decided to come back to the guild he would cause problems with it. All because in his mind "we geared her up and she left".
It is amazing how possessive people get over gear, even if it is not gear for them. Be it in pugs, in guild, what have you, they have the idea that it is "my gear". I'd think if anyone would be that jaded about it that person would be me with my piss poor luck. Yet in the end I think I am one of the few people that have, what I believe, to be a healthy outlook on gear.
I wonder what other peoples opinion on the matter is, in respect to pugs reserving things if you would like it or not, join them or not, and in respect to having people gear up and then move along in your guild. As it seems from my discussions last night, some people have very strong views on these loot assignment issues. What are yours?
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