- Have a new 90.
- Number 19.
- Second Paladin.
- Probably won't do anything with it however.
- No valor gear means no need to play a new character at 90 for me.
- Usually at this point in an expansion valor gear is what kept me playing alts.
- It was a relaxed way to gear up to current raid level.
- So that way when the time came I could bring it in on an alt run with somewhat decent gear.
- But being LFR is the only option for gearing and I hate LFR and even more so hate LFR as a tank that means no reason to play it.
- I did give it all timeless gear.
- I did do the scenario for heroic deeds to get my guaranteed 516.
- I did do the other scenarios to get its 502 boots.
- I managed to get it to a 495 item level in just a few hours thanks to all that.
- For any higher I need to go to LFR.
- So maybe I will get some gear from ordos or celestial kills but otherwise, I am done with that character.
- No reason to get into it without valor gear.
- Blizzard really screwed the pooch removing valor gear in my mind.
- It was how I geared characters like this one.
- It is what gave me a reason to play it.
- It is what made it fun for me to log in.
- Now there is really no need to even log into it.
- Doubt I will even do ordos or celestial kills either.
- Why would I do that?
- Not like it would get me a weapon or a shield.
- No new heroics with decent gear to play catch up.
- No valor to play catch up.
- Just blizzards nasty obsession with forcing people to do LFR if they want gear of any sort.
- No thank you blizzard.
- Please give us other gearing option in warlords.
- Do not make this dreadful mistake again.
- No one likes LFR.
- At least no one that is not into self abuse.
- So I went to leveling another character.
- Got one of my bring new druids up to 35 after a little play time.
- Was talking about how it was to level compared to the "good old days".
- There are good and bad points to those days remembering them.
- I don't think I would ever have nearly as many alts at max level if it took as long to level them as it did back then.
- But I do think leveling is too trivial now as it is.
- In my opinion leveling is just a general annoyance now more than anything else.
- There is a sweet spot where leveling takes long enough to make it meaningful.
- Originally it took too long and now it is too short.
- Some might say that is just because I am a fast leveler.
- This is true and this is what my friend told me.
- But he said it wrong, he said I speed level.
- Nothing could be further from the truth.
- My level 35 druid has both professions near 200, a speed leveler does not take time out to level professions.
- My level 35 druid has first aid, cooking and fishing, yes fishing, all over 200.
- What speed leveler do you know actually takes the time to level fishing?
- Yes I freely admit that because I am an experienced player I level faster than the average bear but that still does not mean it is not too fast now.
- I say as fast as it is now leveling really serves no purpose.
- It is build for speed and if that is really the case it should not really exist at all.
- You have to believe that somewhere around the time of the cataclysm redesign they ruined leveling, from a speed perspective.
- Late wrath was a sweet spot if you ask me.
- They speed up leveling so it was faster, but it took would take a little time.
- There were still group quests that actually required groups.
- There were still elite mobs around the world that would kill you in a second.
- There were still parts in low level zones that if a wayward adventurer wandered into them they would be killed.
- In as few words as I can put it, leveling still had some minor dangers for the new player an a minimal but not trivial time investment needed.
- It is just not that way any longer.
- There is nothing that would teach a player.
- Nothing that would inspire grouping.
- Nothing that really does anything but waste time.
- And when leveling becomes a waste of time, you have to question why even have it any more.
- Decided to do some LFRs on a healer being they were offering a baggie and I was bored.
- Well, and my shaman has been on the secrets part of the legendary quest line for what feels like a million years.
- I joined a group that could just not be explained.
- Someone on vent said laughing that I have to have the worst luck when it comes to groups.
- I would agree if there were any luck involved here.
- It is not a luck thing, I am just a magnet for these people.
- I was in ToT 3, you know the one I keep telling you is the best one to do because it usually has a lot of good people that are there for pets and because it is quick.
- Well, even that one is subject to bad groups.
- I come in and they are on the first boss with 2 stacks already.
- I immediately guess it is a maze issue and figure they do not have enough people surviving the maze and not enough DPS to down it before the maze comes like most groups I get into seem to have lately.
- I listen to people in raid arguing about what the problem was.
- One blames it on the healers.
- Healer? Are you kidding me?
- I immediately do not like this person and not because I am on a healer but because it seems this person thinks that healers are at fault for people not figuring out the maze.
- You can't heal stupid.
- And if you blame the healers for not being able to heal stupid you are worse than the stupid ones.
- Someone said it is not a healer problem.
- Thank you for pointing out the obvious that apparently this half wit could not see.
- So I figure maybe they will have enough DPS now with those two stacks.
- He was only at 50% when the maze came.
- Seriously, can DPS be that bad, even when this first came out it was rarely that bad.
- Both tanks die.
- Many people die.
- But that is not the worst of the worst.
- Two druids and 3 warlocks survive.
- Did any of them think to revive the tanks?
- Of course not, that would be silly.
- I am pounding heals on the DPS warrior that has aggro.
- I am giving it everything I have, when the fight is over it looks like I healed him for 26M, so I was really giving him a good healing.
- The warrior and I more than bought the druids and locks enough time to freely revive a tank but did they?
- Nope.
- The tanks yelled for it, others yelled for it, but the DPS were too interested in their DPS to revive the tanks.
- I don't think it would have saved us anyway.
- We wiped.
- Next attempt, while they so expertly go over what went wrong, they said they need more DPS.
- So first they need more healing to heal stupid and now they need more DPS so they won't get to the part where people die to the stupid.
- How about just running through the freaking maze?
- You are now on your forth attempt, even if you never saw this before by the forth attempt you should at least have a basic idea how the maze works.
- We wipe again on the forth attempt because someone pointed out we needed to kill it before the maze came so they never went after to fogs and when the maze came with the fogs everyone started to drop.
- Tanks died again, of course, me and one other healer lived and 3 damage dealers lived.
- But it did not make a difference, with 3 fogs up we did not last even 10 seconds after the maze was done.
- Heck, I am surprised we even managed to make it through the maze with that many alive.
- Between the fogs and the maze the damage output was insane even by LFR standards.
- So they start to argue, if only the tank would live we could get this.
- The tank defends himself, and I agree with him to an extent.
- So I have to live through the phase but it is okay for you to die?
- Don't complain about me dying if you can't do it either.
- I agree with him and this run proved once again what I always say.
- The worst players have the biggest mouths.
- However, he was right, if only a tank survived we would have a chance.
- The tank said, just put a soulstone on me beforehand so I can pop immediately.
- And someone pointed out the obvious again, how about just surviving.
- Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best.
- We wiped again and they said to kick the tanks.
- The tank defended himself again, how about kicking the other 20 people that die each attempt too.
- Again, good point tank.
- If it were not for the fact you keep dying too I would have actually supported him in raid, but I kept quiet.
- He was defending himself, he was right, but he was just as bad as the people saying to kick him.
- Me and a warlock and a hunter were the only 3 to have survived every attempt I was here for.
- It was a nightmare, almost like the first week, or even first month of this boss.
- We finally did down it because the tank survived once.
- As was said, all you need is for a tank to survive, or for people that can revive him to survive.
- What made me totally lose faith in the tank and even stop supporting him, even if I was only supporting him in my mind, not vocally, was when he made what is one of the worst statements I have ever heard in a LFR.
- When someone said, why don't you just survive he responded, how about the people that can battle rez survive then it will not be a problem.
- If you are counting on dying to something that is completely avoidable because you do not wish to learn how to avoid it, you lose all my support, ever.
- That is lazy, that is bad play, that is a bad attitude, and I don't think that type of person should ever even be allowed to step into a raid setting, not even LFR.
- I will not go into the gory details on the second and third boss, but I will give you the highlights.
- Second boss, they hit hero at the start and go hog wild on the boss.
- Only that one lock and one hunter I mention even bother to get transformed.
- Excuse me, all the wipes to the maze and no one gets transformed here?
- Did I find the last 20 or so people in the game that have never done this raid?
- Sure seems so.
- I won't go further into that boss, but you can see where it is heading.
- Third boss, and the bad damage dealers in this group as I mentioned means we can not do the AoE on adds right?
- I know that, you know that, they do not know that.
- I blow every cooldown I have and start making up shit to try and keep people alive.
- Doesn't really work even if I hit 400K HPS at the start and keep it that high for quite some time.
- Yeah, it did not go well.
- And they kept doing AoE anyway.
- /cry
- All that and no secrets to boot.
- And still no pet.
- Will I ever get that pet?
- I then enter vale, 3rd boss, and one tank has 460K health.
- Excuse me, how the hell did you even get in here.
- My paladin that I just hit 90 on a few hours ago and does not even have an item level high enough to get into this had 550K.
- How the hell do you have 460K life and be able to get in here.
- Even a damage dealer would have more than that at a 496 item level.
- The only tank I could even come close to understanding being that low is a monk.
- Needless to say he died, a lot.
- Did I mention I zoned into this one with 2 stacks as well.
- Hey, at least I managed to get 2 secrets that run.
- Not like the one off the last boss even counts as getting one because I am supposed to get one there.
- The healer baggie were just not worth it.
- It makes me miss valor gear all the more.
- I should not need to do LFR to get gear, I should be able to get something equal or better in a 5 man or with valor.
- I do not like needing to raid to gear up for raiding.
- I want to go back to gearing through valor for my alts.
- It was so much more enjoyable and it was a better system then subjecting people to, other people.
- Even if LFR goes full on tourist mode next expansion there should still be no reason to go there.
- They need other options to get gear.
- Valor gear is the best option for other options.
- At least with valor gear you earn your gear.
- That is a lot more then lucking into it.
- I would rather work my ass off gaining valor week after week and earn my gear than go into and LFR and hope I luck into it.
- Ditch the random number generator gear dispencer design blizzard.
- It doesn't work and it is not good for the game.
- Make people work for their gear, make people earn their gear, make people play for their gear.
- But don't ever make people do LFR for gear.
- It is cruel and unusual punishment.
- Sorry, I pay to play this game, I do not play to be abused.
- There is no other word for what I went through this weekend in there than abuse.
- The game took advantage of me and abused me.
- Not good game design blizzard, not at all.
- Have a great day.
GQDN11/21/2024
21 hours ago
I'm not sure why Blizzard loves the RNG so much. Valor gear was more like the PVP system, which players much prefer to random drops, hence Blizzard must continually jigger and rejigger so that PVP gear is worse than PVE gear for PVE. Why not instead just embrace the model?
ReplyDeleteI suppose the reason is that gear is a "carrot" for PVE and Blizzard can't think up another good one. I see their point; I can't either.
I believe that is why they are so hung up on random, to be that carrot on a stick.
DeleteHowever, to counter that argument I offer this. Recently I got another new hunter to 90 and did a full clear of SoO. I walked out with a four piece set. While I do not need another hunter that is enough for me so I am not going to actively play it more being I got the basis for a decent start to begin with.
However, with valor it would have taken me longer to get that four piece set, and I would have been willing to slowly keep working on other pieces instead of "needing" to raid which I more often than not would not have time to do.
So valor would keep me playing that character longer, not less. And gear from drops is not a carrot for it, because I do not have the time to raid on it, but I do have the time to grind some valor here and there once in a while.
Valor is a much better carrot.
You don't need to do LFR to get better than 495. There's the 535 TI gear (much grinding required), or there's ilvl 522 PvP honor gear (somewhat less grinding required.) The latter includes weapons and offhands.
ReplyDeleteYes, I am aware of that. But the 535 gear is crap and, as you mentioned, needs way to much grinding for crap gear.
DeleteNotice how you mention PvP gear as an option? The reason for that is the PvP gearing system is much better designed than the PvE one. I would like to see the PvE one designed more that way and less luck based.