I've bought up this welfare gear topic before but thinking about the new upgrade system to gear it has me thinking about it again. People like to call point/emblem gear welfare gear and I've often stated that those people are about as off base on their assessment as a penguin would be sun bathing in the Bahamas.
If spending points is "welfare" to those people that do not understand the definition of the word, what is upgrading gear? Being you will use valor points to upgrade it would that mean they are welfare upgrades?
There is no difference between someone buying the valor legs because it is an upgrade or upgrading the raid legs with valor. Both people saw an upgrade, worked to earn some valor, and got the upgrade they needed.
I think that upgrading gear with valor points just proved my point for me. Valor gear is earned gear. Raid gear is for the instant gratification crowd that just wants to kill a boss and collect loot, no additional work required.
Lets just look at the facts. Take a pair of pants that cost 2250 to buy with valor.
How much work would it take to get them:
Daily quests (without valor of the ancients) : 450 daily quests
Daily quests (with valor of the ancients) : 300 daily quests
Dungeon (one per day only) : 29 dungeons at one per day
Scenarios (one per day only) : 57 scenarios at one per day
Raid Bosses (before buff) : 90 kills
Raid Bosses (after buff) : 57 kills
As you can see, when it comes to buying gear there is no easy way to get it. It is going to take a fair deal of work and a fair deal of time. Added to that, you can only get 1000 valor per week so you would be limited on how fast you can get things.
A raider can get a full set of gear while raiding all in one week with some luck, because it is freebie gear you do not need to work for as loot always drops from bosses. Raid gear and its guaranteed drops that do not limit you to how quickly you can gear up is for the instant gratification crowd that does not believe gear should be earned, it should be lucked into when killing something you were going to kill even if it dropped nothing for you anyway.
For the valor gear people they have to earn it but have an artificial wall put in to slow them down so that even if they do everything they can in game and work their asses off as in doing every daily every day, all raid bosses, and running dungeons and scenarios until their eyes bleed, they can not get it any faster as they are capped at 1000 per week. Best case would be to mix and match a little of each and cap each week and still wait 3 weeks to get your new purple pants.
Valor gear is welfare gear?
Welfare my ass, that is hard work. 450 daily quests are not just going to do themselves
Raid gear is welfare gear if people really feel the need to use the word for something. You kill a boss and get your 40 (was 25) valor. That is your pay for doing the job of killing it. The loot that drops off of it is bonus stuff, as in extra stuff you get for doing something you were going to do anyway. If you use a coin you can even win two things instead of just one but at least you had to earn the coin to use it. Getting loot off a boss you have already been paid for, in terms of valor as we already recognize that as the currency for gear, is welfare gear
Now I know many people will never agree with me and will continue to call valor gear welfare gear. I will just respectfully say we can agree to disagree. But that does not change the fact that having upgrades for gear has to change the perspective of some of them on valor gear as once you upgrade a piece of gear it is now valor gear. It is no longer a raid piece, it is a piece that could not exists if it were not for valor.
I wonder if those people that like to call valor gear welfare gear will consider themselves as walking around with welfare upgrades? Perhaps someone will say to them, nice welfare upgrades you got there and they will be sure to respond, I earned this gear raiding and worked my ass off to upgrade it.
I will silently sit back and laugh and think, you did not earn it raiding, you got lucky with loot that drops from something you were going to kill anyway even if nothing dropped for you. And how if you worked your ass off to upgrade it, but someone that worked their ass off to buy it, is theirs welfare and not yours?
The community, on average, is not smart enough to realize that valor gear is the only gear (outside of PvP gear) that you actually earn in the game so they will not be capable of realizing that their upgrades come from the same resource that the other persons gear comes from, valor. If one is welfare, so is the other. You can't have it both ways.
Lets say you are in best in slot in every slot and you upgrade your gear with valor. Does it now become welfare gear because you spent valor on it? I would be willing to bet those insecure people that have to put everyone that is not as good as them or not in a guild as good as theirs down for using their valor on gear when they used their valor on upgrades when both do the exact same thing, upgrade a piece you have. The only difference is one was BiS and one was not even close. But valor was used for the same thing in both cases, an upgrade.
Valor is currency, earned currency, and what you spend it on doesn't matter. Upgrades or gear, you earn them either way. Maybe all those uninformed people that keep calling valor gear welfare gear might begin to learn the value of work and earning something when they want to upgrade their gear. When they realize that earning valor is not as easy as looting a boss you were going to kill anyway and getting your loot when they now need to actually work to get valor to upgrade it putting them in the same boat as the people that bought valor gear in the fist place. Needing valor for their gear.
I wonder what the shock to their system will be like when they are limited as well. Instead of just winning gear and putting it on and letting the instant gratification moment bring a smile to their face they now need to earn 1500 valor to upgrade that piece and unless they have some stocked up they will not be able to upgrade it instantly, like they have become used to having it ready all at once being when it comes to raid gear it is as simple as pick it up and put it on, no long drawn out work involved.
Now it will take them two weeks and a lot of work if they want to upgrade the piece they just got as a drop. It is suddenly hard work. It is no longer win gear and do the gem, enchant, reforge thing, they now need to earn, work for it if you will, 1500 valor to upgrade that piece of gear. It is no longer good enough as is. A shock to the system of a person that has been playing the lazy route to loot since point/emblem gear was introduced.
Someone that is trying, actually trying to be the best they can be, like people grinding valor to buy gear that they can not get otherwise try to get the best they can in the one way available to them, the raider that used to just get their drops and run with it now need 1500 valor for every single raid piece they get. If they want to give the appearing they are trying to be the best they can, you can judge that by how many of those BiS pieces they actually worked their asses off to upgrade.
In the end I would have a lot more respect for someone that has all valor gear over an all raid geared player that is not upgraded because the valor decked out person worked their ass off for that gear and the raid geared person with few or no upgrades is just lazy and only has gear because he got lucky enough to get a drop off a boss.
The valor gear player is my type of player, they will do whatever it takes to have the best gear they can get even if they are not raiding or not lucky with drops. They will work as hard as they can to be as best geared as they can. I like players that give 100%. Just sitting around waiting on a raid drop screams of the lazy instant gratification crowd, you know the type, they are the first ones to say that someone else has welfare gear.
So whenever you hear someone use the words "welfare gear" when referencing valor gear point out to them that if they really believe that they should not upgrade their gear with welfare upgrades or they will be just as bad as those people in that ~shutters~ welfare gear.
Will the thoughts on valor gear change now that the raiders that used to say they do not need valor gear now need the valor, for their gear?
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