tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post8268853733225630828..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Some Garrison FAQsTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-16974661556427008882014-12-09T09:20:31.842-05:002014-12-09T09:20:31.842-05:00Checked last night. A level 3 study can indeed di...Checked last night. A level 3 study can indeed disenchant an epic. I got a temporal crystal from disenchanting one yesterday.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-35295661988553866232014-12-08T10:45:54.530-05:002014-12-08T10:45:54.530-05:00I have not tested it but on beta I could never dis...I have not tested it but on beta I could never disenchant purples. I will have to try it, I have a level 3, but do not have any purples to disenchant yet.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-59303099385918932402014-12-05T18:45:03.866-05:002014-12-05T18:45:03.866-05:00Last week, when you could disenchant uncommons and...Last week, when you could disenchant uncommons and rares in a Level 1 Enchanter's Study, I built my Level 2 Enchanter's Study to see if I could disenchant epics ("purples").<br /><br />I couldn't.<br /><br />Does a Level 3 Enchanter's Study allow you to disenchant epics, or should I just vendor/Void Storage them?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-35457132585212413682014-11-24T11:24:58.430-05:002014-11-24T11:24:58.430-05:00Yes and no. If they all shared the same we could ...Yes and no. If they all shared the same we could not create our own mini empires. But if they were all shared it would not create a glut of resources on the market for ore and herbs eventually.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-41215800583862038112014-11-24T11:03:40.389-05:002014-11-24T11:03:40.389-05:00It seems they changed it to level 2 only. I will ...It seems they changed it to level 2 only. I will update the guide to reflect that.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-22101219779469875152014-11-21T08:52:04.209-05:002014-11-21T08:52:04.209-05:00I wish I had took my hunter with leather and skin ...I wish I had took my hunter with leather and skin and not my warrior that is a alchemist. I now have to start all over with everything to get my hunter to where my warrior is. Would have been nice if Blizz let all toons share same garrison. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01248904717066847749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-17061867598026689602014-11-18T23:30:00.539-05:002014-11-18T23:30:00.539-05:00I have a level 1 Enchanter's study and I can&#...I have a level 1 Enchanter's study and I can't seem to disenchant anything. I've tried everything to the lowest lvl greens to unused Epics, soulbound, BOE, weapons, armor, etc. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-83114407148298807962014-11-10T11:41:42.823-05:002014-11-10T11:41:42.823-05:00Not really a weird question and I can only answer ...Not really a weird question and I can only answer 1/2 of it being I did not do battlegrounds. So I do not know if battlegrounds count.<br /><br />Bones can only be on draenor in ashran or on the continent otherwise. I know bones can not be collected elsewhere as I killed someone in the vale and did not get any.<br /><br />So, if I had to guess, nemesis kills would be the same. Only a guess however. I really hope BGs count for them.<br /><br />So it is literal in the sense that the vale did not count as across draenor. Read into it what you will in terms of BGs.<br /><br />It is the same for me, as I am not much of a PvPer, if it is BGs I will go for it as well. If it is world, well, on a PvE server, it might take a while unless I spend the entire expansion in ashran.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-63122188617839002462014-11-08T14:13:35.235-05:002014-11-08T14:13:35.235-05:00This might be a silly question, but do you have an...This might be a silly question, but do you have any idea if the nemesis quests can be progressed in battlegrounds, or world pvp only? Same with picking the bones.<br /><br />I mean the wording seems to be, kill 500 Xs "across Draenor." Old battlegrounds are not exactly Draenor, but how literal is this in reality. Quick look has given me conflicting comments, someone says battlegrounds don't work, someone else says they do.<br /><br />I'm very interested in going for this if it can be done in battlegrounds, but if it's world pvp only, screw that.Kanelinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-79112369197489477882014-11-07T11:54:04.413-05:002014-11-07T11:54:04.413-05:0039K is more than most players ever see. Sure for ...39K is more than most players ever see. Sure for many people, myself included, I run around with 100K on me even on some alts, but for most they never see that type of money.<br /><br />Just talking to my raid team the other night of the 16 people that answered me, only 4 even had 40K on them now. That means 3/4 of the people that are active raiders, did not even have enough for the garrison on one character. And these are people that might be considered top 10% of the game by some people, maybe even top 5% or higher if you look at is as we killed garrosh on normal (now heroic) over a year ago.<br /><br />Gold is a great divide. For every person like me that has 100K on an alt I hit 90 with and never even played this expansion there are 100 people that have never even had 10K.<br /><br />The game, just like real life, has 1% of the player base in control of well over 90% of the gold.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-16599390211224604422014-11-07T11:31:45.488-05:002014-11-07T11:31:45.488-05:00am i the only one who isn't too concerned abou...am i the only one who isn't too concerned about 39k? that's around double the cost of, say, the JC mounts. with every addon comes inflation so it will be less relative to today.<br /><br />39k may be expensive yes, but not as much as now. and realistically speaking building an entire town IS expensive. but i agree with the idea that blueprints should be acc wide. Rilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-87892266351940288662014-11-06T15:44:28.397-05:002014-11-06T15:44:28.397-05:00Heck, even my alts that I do not play will need mo...Heck, even my alts that I do not play will need more money. I used to think running around with 30K on an alt I don't play was awesome. Now it is nothing. :(TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-72837821197340349882014-11-06T15:30:49.034-05:002014-11-06T15:30:49.034-05:00Bloody Hell! I really am gonna need to brush up on...Bloody Hell! I really am gonna need to brush up on my AH skills.Troutmonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862533672429720139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-57058437546481419162014-11-06T15:14:15.171-05:002014-11-06T15:14:15.171-05:00If you build every single thing at one point or ot...If you build every single thing at one point or other it would put you in the ballpark of 70K.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-70438784152333056362014-11-06T15:12:55.824-05:002014-11-06T15:12:55.824-05:0039K is if you completely deck out your garrison me...39K is if you completely deck out your garrison meaning.<br /><br />Town hall level 3<br />Herb garden level 3<br />Mine level 3<br />Pet menagerie level 3<br />Fishing shack level 3<br />Small building #1 level 3<br />Small building #2 level 3<br />Small building #3 level 3<br />Medium building #1 level 3<br />Medium building #2 level 3<br />Large building #1 level 3<br />Large building #2 level 3<br /><br />Just one building in every slot maxed. If you want additional patterns for later use, the price will of course go up. You can cut that down by 5K through quests however.<br /><br />There is also the cost for every single one you build even after the achievement. The achievements just "unlock" the blueprints. You still need to actually buy them on each character.<br /><br />They really should make the blueprint book account wide. That would seriously cut the costs for alts.<br /><br />Now, if you wanted to buy the extra blueprints for later use that would mean...<br /><br />7 more small buildings at 750 per level 2 and 1000 per level 3 = 12250<br /><br />3 more medium buildings at 1000 per level 2 and 1000 per level 3 = 6000<br /><br />3 more large buildings at 1500 per level 2 and 1000 per level 3 = 7500<br /><br />So an extra 25K for the additional patterns, should you wish to buy them. Not including build costs for when you do decide to actually build them.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-52763305495749705882014-11-06T15:02:59.027-05:002014-11-06T15:02:59.027-05:00Wait, is 39k to build every lvl 3 building? As in ...Wait, is 39k to build every lvl 3 building? As in have every type of medium building and every large building upgraded at some point in time?<br /><br />Or is that the cost to upgrade to lvl 3 the standard buildings, 3 small buildings, 2 medium buildings, and 2 large buildings?<br /><br />So is 39k the worst case scenario for your "first" fully upgraded garrison? Or is it the cost to have every achievement related to upgrading every garrison building?Troutmonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862533672429720139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-68330363642671270162014-11-06T14:12:28.466-05:002014-11-06T14:12:28.466-05:00Hours? That is a hard one to answer as there is a...Hours? That is a hard one to answer as there is a lot involved in it. Most level 3 buildings require achievements to unlock the patterns for purchase. Some of these achievements will be done rather quick, some could take weeks if not longer. So can't really put a time on it. <br /><br />Not to mention, it would be different for all buildings. Lets take the herb garden for instance. To get the level 3 pattern I need to collect 500 draenic seeds. If I am an herbalist I can do that in a few hours out in the world. If I am not an herbalist and have to wait for the herbs in my garden to respawn daily it could take a month. See what I mean?<br /><br />Blizzard has been in that paradox for a while now, offering us "choice" where there really isn't any and what there is, is wrong.<br /><br />The good news is that you do not "need" anything from the garrison. Just open it up when your first start and then leave it there. It should not hurt your game play at all not to build it.<br /><br />@ PvP Anon<br /><br />It was nerfed. It used to cost around 600K to build everything. Then they knocked it down to about 250K, then around 90K and then to where it is now. I do not believe it will be nerfed any more than it already is.<br /><br />Like I said in the post. At 39K blizzard is basically telling over 90% of the player base this part of the game is not for them, and other 9% that this is not something you can do on your alts.<br /><br />How many people do you think can throw away that type of money for a bunch of alts? Even with my gold stash I would never buy it on all my characters even if I can afford it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-43744856349258369702014-11-06T14:04:27.348-05:002014-11-06T14:04:27.348-05:00The cost took me by surprise too. I needed to add...The cost took me by surprise too. I needed to add it up 3 times to make sure. I thought, that can not be it, but it is.<br /><br />I think once I completed all the quests on beta I made around 15K-17K. Do not hold me to that, it is just a "best I remember" sort of thing.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-889023492346412642014-11-06T13:33:59.718-05:002014-11-06T13:33:59.718-05:00Chances are, 39k gold per garrison per char is goi...Chances are, 39k gold per garrison per char is going to be nerfed. It's too much for most, especially if you have alts, and if you don't do garrisons on alts, you don't get all achievements. I think they will make level 3 blueprints free - that will shave 11k off 39k, would be a good start.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-77186479676163335452014-11-06T13:30:58.921-05:002014-11-06T13:30:58.921-05:00No, it's not even close to 20 or 25k. You do g...No, it's not even close to 20 or 25k. You do get a bit more gold per quest (a bit), than in MoP, but there are fewer quests - about half that in MoP. You'll get about 10-12k from all.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-77115090651433323502014-11-06T13:08:59.229-05:002014-11-06T13:08:59.229-05:00So 39K gold per character. How many hours?
This a...So 39K gold per character. How many hours?<br /><br />This all seems quite overwhelming. I am looking forward to ignoring as much of the garrison requirements as possible. Or finding a min-max guide for my class/spec and sticking to that.<br /><br />Reminds me of "the paradox as choice." A few choices are fun. A million choices and many of them are "wrong" and it's not fun anymore.<br /><br />If I could correct errors easily, then it wouldn't be a problem. But I suspect if I spend all my time on the "wrong" building and change my mind, I have to grind the new building instead of destroying the old one and transferring the hours spent over.<br />--<br />Regards,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-28020220016404416362014-11-06T11:25:54.470-05:002014-11-06T11:25:54.470-05:00Damn, 34k for a fully leveled Garrison per alt? Th...Damn, 34k for a fully leveled Garrison per alt? That is a tall order. I have 50k on my main, but only about 5k per alt. Would really not look forward to having to relearn the AH trading game. I haven't paid attention to that since Wrath.<br /><br />How much about do we get from a fulls set of zone questing in Warlords? In each previous expansion I think I've increased by about 10k after finishing all the quests. So thats quest rewards minus repair fees and other costs, etc.<br /><br />I think I remember somebody saying you get a lot of gold from complete Warlord's questing, hopefully to the tune of 20 or 25k, that would make the full alt garrison much easier.Troutmonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862533672429720139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-17342016810951974392014-11-06T10:54:22.864-05:002014-11-06T10:54:22.864-05:00For raid finder that remains to be seen. I did no...For raid finder that remains to be seen. I did not test it. Never occurred to me to ask someone in group if they could go steal from the group leaders garrison. lol I am sure that would have gotten me a swift kick from the group if I did. <br /><br />However, in theory, it might still work. Enter the LFR, click on your image, select visit leaders garrison, use garrison hearth to hearth out (not leave group or you drop the instance), clear out his garrison, click on eye to teleport back.<br /><br />It could work like that. Don't think it will however. I hope not at least. I think those are called "instance" groups and handled differently than "party" groups.<br /><br />With that said, pugs will be able to get to your garrison if you are leader. Like for the raid, a world boss, grinding mobs for rep, etc.<br /><br />But there is an easy solution. Just mine and herb when you log in and then who cares. There will be nothing for them to steal.<br /><br />It would not surprise me if there were people in world boss groups that join just to steal from the leaders garrison. I would not be surprised at all.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-10870989217868452502014-11-06T10:23:22.313-05:002014-11-06T10:23:22.313-05:00Many thanks again for this series, Grumpy, I am ce...Many thanks again for this series, Grumpy, I am certain I will return to it often in the coming weeks. One thought occurred to me about Garrison visitors: Does the fact that visitors have full run of the place have any implications for leading raid finder raids? Does the RL have to worry that the random and let's face it sometimes odious people invited will first drop by and ravage his garrison?Fiannorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05808195500680797589noreply@blogger.com