tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post6761462149325495647..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Brawlers Club: Problems Before it StartsTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-6491970853358505062012-11-09T16:22:58.851-05:002012-11-09T16:22:58.851-05:00I like BBB's idea that you have to beat a chal...I like BBB's idea that you have to beat a challenging opponent to get an invitation.<br /><br />I also agree that once the rush is over it will be easier to get in. But with achievements tied to having people watch while you fight people will want to be first in line to get them and it would make it harder on people later. Things like that have to be throught of and blizzard is not doing that. Just think of the ring of blood had an achievement for having 20 people watch you, how would you get it now? Beg people to come out and stand there? Hope you have a fair sized guild with many people willing to help or you are not getting that achievement for sure.<br /><br />There is much more that is bad about it than just the invitation system. The idea of waiting and watching and people wanting to get in first will make the start hell and make the later on horrible for people that want achievements. The idea is amazing, the implementation is horrible. At least from my point of view and like I said, I always try to look at things long term, and long term, this is a loser, no matter how good it is. It is not the solo content people wanted. Nice try but it is a swing and a miss as planned.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-62854245367989570122012-11-09T15:12:42.152-05:002012-11-09T15:12:42.152-05:00(same original Anon)
I don't disagree with wh...(same original Anon)<br /><br />I don't disagree with what anyone is saying in terms of how they'll use it, I just think Blizz has a better grasp of what it's general user is looking for than any one person does, including me. Sure, this could crash and burn, but I'm pretty sure it won't. You guys apparently won't park there to watch fights during downtime or while queuing for things, but that doesn't meant others won't, I already mentioned that I can see myself doing it which means that thousands (or tens of thousands) of others could see themselves doing it, too. I'm not THAT unique of a snowflake, I don't think, especially since enough people at Blizz thought it was a good idea that it's actually going live.<br /><br />(and no, making the cut at Blizz doesn't assure success, or even that it isn't a horrible idea... for instance, CRZ should die in a fire, far as I'm concerned, but I don't think that was ever intended to make things better for players)<br /><br />Blizz is strongly positioning BC as a minor feature in the patch... I think in practice it'll play out very similarly to a solo CoC, you'll do it once and be done, or you'll get your ass handed to you at some point and vow to go back later to finish it off (and might actually do that). Since there aren't rewards, there's little incentive to re-run it beyond personal satisfaction &/or (if people do actually hang around to watch) to show off a bit. Where's the harm?<br /><br />I still don't think queues will be too long, either, especially if you're forced to stay there while queued. If the queue gets too long, most people will just leave and come back later. Not being able to do other stuff while waiting will make queue length self-limiting... at some point, after enough time has passed, the length will be short enough for anyone to queue. To respond to a direct quote, "Do they really expect all these players to sit around for hours on end waiting their turn?" No, and that's exactly why queues won't be that long.<br /><br />Have to admit, though, BBB had a fantastic idea on how to hand out the limited invites to get it started, I like his idea even more than BMAH. To summarize, tie the invitation (or a pre-cursor to a questline to leads to the invitation) into the rare elites as a quest item you loot from the bodies.<br /><br />Picking up another point, though, I'd LOVE to have viewable raids (ghosts, etc). It's not that I'm against that idea, I just don't think it's necessary for BC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-70719282161521863572012-11-08T07:38:48.523-05:002012-11-08T07:38:48.523-05:00I watch the PvP stuff on youtube also, a good way ...I watch the PvP stuff on youtube also, a good way to try and get some tips as I am not a good PvPer, but I never once sat and watched in goldshire or in front of org. Unless I was the one fighting or waiting for a friend I prefer to play, not watch others. If I want to watch I watch to learn and I watch on youtube.<br /><br />You are right and I agree, 100% certain people will not sit around and watch. Not sure what brain dead person on the blizzard staff thinks people will.<br /><br />Just imagine a full server that is really busy. There could be 100s of people that want to do this at the time same. Do they really expect all these players to sit around for hours on end waiting their turn? They need a dose of reality if they really think people will do that.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-48599812343049723952012-11-08T07:35:35.420-05:002012-11-08T07:35:35.420-05:00@Jaeger
You seem to be in the same school of thou...@Jaeger<br /><br />You seem to be in the same school of thought I am. The waiting thing just has to go.<br /><br />I would love to see them doing a viewing option and use that as a test for future additions of that. I always wanted a raid viewer option. A great way for backups to learn the fights while not being in them. This is a good chance to give that a test. Same as the farm is a test for player housing. Everything has to start somewhere and this is a great place for that to start. But instead, they just want us to wait in lines to play. That is not what MMOs are about.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-77938668124599644322012-11-08T01:42:01.002-05:002012-11-08T01:42:01.002-05:00PVP anon: I get that they are thinking people will...PVP anon: I get that they are thinking people will stay around and look at how others fight, oohing and aahing excitingly, but I am absolutely, one hundred percent sure this just won't happen. Why would it?<br /><br />Granted, I am a PVP'er, but if I had to wait in line for arenas, no amount of looking at how others fight would save it. I mean, I am not against looking at good fights of skillful players, but these are rare, and, most of all, I am here to play, not watch, I can watch fights on youtube or elsewhere outside of the game.<br /><br />I imagine the above is even more the case for PVE. I am regularly watching movies of top arena / rated BG players and am regularly watching streams. I do this both to pick up strategies and tricks, and also because I enjoy it, when you know enough to understand what's going on in the scenes, it's like watching football - pretty interesting for many. Do any of you guys, regularly watch streams of raiding guilds? For pleasure? I never heard of anyone doing that.<br /><br />To sum:<br /><br />There will be some crowds at the start, and in a week or two there will be just close friends, and in a month there will be noone except random strangers. That's it. The great game of "waiting while looking" will turn into the game of "waiting while not caring and being super-bored", people will try queuing in unusual times, etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-60662975851543274172012-11-07T19:39:35.263-05:002012-11-07T19:39:35.263-05:00The group fights like CoC are things you do once f...The group fights like CoC are things you do once for the quest to get XP and gear. Blizz even made the one this time a scenario instead of open world.<br /><br />They should make it instanced and they can keep the spectator part by letting spectators jump into the different active instances. It can be a test for potential arena/raid spectating in the future.<br /><br />Enter Viewing box<br />Pick a boss or a player you want to watch<br />Watch them fight<br /><br />It could have popular picks or random viewing, etc. You could watch from the web as well or the Mobile App.<br /><br />Instead, it sounds like they want it to be super exclusive.<br /><br />No thanks. If I want to solo stuff, I'll do what I've always done and just solo a dungeon or raid. If I want to watch, I'll go hit YouTube or somebody's live stream.Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-70817212974629522822012-11-07T13:26:01.002-05:002012-11-07T13:26:01.002-05:00The difference is that in previous versions it was...The difference is that in previous versions it was a group effort and if you wanted to get your turn up faster you could help the other people (or grief them if that is your thing) to push it along. This is completely different. It is one on one and no one can help you or grief you. Unless you are talking about something I never experienced and have no clue what you are referring to, so if that is the case, ignore what I just said. lol<br /><br />I do love what you said here "The trade troll who was "5/6 HM" and mocks LFR for being too easy will either have to avoid it, or will be shown to be an unskilled fraud." because I know a lot of people like that. I find the people who talk the biggest crap are usually the worst players.<br /><br />As for me, I like to quest, I like to solo things, I like to play the game for fun. Waiting my turn, what could possibly be hours, is not my idea of fun. <br /><br />How do you think raiders would feel if they could not raid because another guild on the server was raiding and they needed to wait for them to finish? How would you like it if you went to do your shado-pan dailies and you couldn't because someone else was doing them? I do not want to wait to raid, I do not want to wait to do my dailies and I do not want to wait to fight in the brawlers guild. <br /><br />I log on to do things at specific times based on the time I have available to play, not to wait to be allowed to do them. While this is something I will most likely just wait and do it later when the rush is over if it stays like this, it is still bad design, to make people wait.<br /><br />People pay to play the game, they do not pay to watch others play the game. Okay, maybe some do, but I don't.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-62844823997085683182012-11-07T12:53:05.797-05:002012-11-07T12:53:05.797-05:00Far as I can recall, every previous PvE arena-styl...Far as I can recall, every previous PvE arena-style combat area in WoW has been of the "wait your turn" variety, not sure how everyone has managed to forget that. My biggest hope is that Brawler's Club prevents viewers from grief-tagging the mob, if they can do that, BC will be superior to anything that came before it, and I don't recall the backlash (was there any?) against those arenas to be anything compared to what I'm seeing for BC. If they didn't stagger the invitations in some way, it'd be overly busy for the first few days, sure, but would find its base queue level soon enough. Staggering the invites potentially minimizes the mad rush the first few days.<br /><br />And yes, while phasing would avoid the queue entirely, it would also completely negate what Blizz is trying to do here. They want people to stay and watch - cheer and mock, clap and boo. If someone doesn't have a raid group or a PvP group, they can show off their skills to an appreciative crowd, some of whom might be looking for raiders or PvP partners. Blizz wants it to be an EVENT. They want skilled players to be appreciated by the viewers and they might even want poor players who view themselves otherwise to get a dose of reality. The trade troll who was "5/6 HM" and mocks LFR for being too easy will either have to avoid it, or will be shown to be an unskilled fraud. If you're sitting in a 15m LFD queue and don't feel like doing dailies, or pet battles, or any of the other options out there, you can pop over to BC and watch some combat. I can't speak for anyone else but I expect I'll find time to watch occasionally.<br /><br />I love this idea. Sure, they could hand out invitations differently, but any sort of staggered invitation system will be biased in one direction or another, BMAH at least is a somewhat known quantity by now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com