tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post5836183452873701685..comments2024-03-29T05:19:30.673-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Is Warcraft Worth It?TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-30785056210806886082014-10-07T19:57:40.712-04:002014-10-07T19:57:40.712-04:00Warcraft has way to many abilities to ever be port...Warcraft has way to many abilities to ever be ported to a console, or at least I do not believe it can. So no worries about that.<br /><br />With him around we might however see more stuff for sale in the store and possibly gear. At least that is what most people believe.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-45738769197720142492014-10-07T19:44:27.991-04:002014-10-07T19:44:27.991-04:00Sonofabiscuit eater, that suck ass game. I kept t...Sonofabiscuit eater, that suck ass game. I kept trying to use the scroll wheel to zoom out and in. Should have had that in the game instead of being 100% console. <br /><br />Well, in that case, I know it will be bad now. He'll try to make it a console game and change the keys around. <br /><br />-roo-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-5186814772918295702014-10-06T15:09:41.300-04:002014-10-06T15:09:41.300-04:00I think we scare them. :PI think we scare them. :PTheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-1380981044086117182014-10-06T15:09:05.262-04:002014-10-06T15:09:05.262-04:00He worked on another of the blizzard products, dia...He worked on another of the blizzard products, diablo 3, which had a lot of negative feedback.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-995673091509325322014-10-06T14:58:42.014-04:002014-10-06T14:58:42.014-04:00I find I spend more on the free to play games than...I find I spend more on the free to play games than I ever spent on wow. Lack of self control most likely, but that is why I try to keep away from them. Free to play games are like crack. Once you buy you just keep buying. I don't need any more addiction, coffee and cigarettes more than enough addiction already. lolTheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-66844293411660854932014-10-06T14:45:59.693-04:002014-10-06T14:45:59.693-04:00I was wondering why I keep seeing Dwarves with mis...I was wondering why I keep seeing Dwarves with missing butt cheeks. I swear, what you N. Elves will eat. <br /><br />You elves need to find your other boot. Going around with only one boot one, is a good way to get a thorn in your big toe. :P<br /><br />-roo<br /><br />PS - you notice how no one else jumps in on our conversation. I wonder why?-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-20465968464163624792014-10-06T14:44:35.340-04:002014-10-06T14:44:35.340-04:00who the hell is Jay Wilson?who the hell is Jay Wilson?-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-14130312175408738992014-10-06T13:08:10.367-04:002014-10-06T13:08:10.367-04:00I've been using it as a comparison value. If ...I've been using it as a comparison value. If I'm playing and enjoying a F2P game then I don't mind spending $15 dollars a month on it because I never worried about spending the money on WoW so why should it be different.Cainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787494494043104629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-23140608716404910712014-10-02T11:13:11.021-04:002014-10-02T11:13:11.021-04:00Night elves can grill, we grill quite well thank y...Night elves can grill, we grill quite well thank you very much. Some dwarf chops are always nice when grilled properly.<br /><br />As the fortune cookie said, beware the elf with the one blond boot.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-67029638253376400992014-10-02T11:09:23.552-04:002014-10-02T11:09:23.552-04:00Sure you do - buy Omaha Steaks from Omaha, NE (whe...Sure you do - buy Omaha Steaks from Omaha, NE (where I live) dirt cheap, and grill some of the best you will prob ever eat.<br /><br />Cheaper and far more satisfying and you can guarantee that someone else won't spit on it. <br /><br />-roo<br /><br />PS - before you food workers who read this blog get your underwear all bunched up, I'm joking about GE grilling his own. we all know Night Elves can't grill. :P-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-18402953578878775302014-10-02T08:53:56.149-04:002014-10-02T08:53:56.149-04:00I would say even if I took away an hour for every ...I would say even if I took away an hour for every hour of hell I spent in the LFR I would still be well ahead of the curve on investing in my entertainment.<br /><br />As for how much I would pay to not have to do LFR?<br /><br />I would easily PAY blizzard huge sums of money to make LFR gear available for purchases with justice points and then let me grind, however much I choose or don't choose to, to get LFR item level gear. Oh, and quest items in the case of the legendary.<br /><br />It would be worth, and I am not exaggerating, $1,000, maybe more, if I could have never had to step into LFR and had a way I could get everything I got from it elsewhere in a more enjoyable way. Heck, I might even go as high as saying it would have been worth $2,000 to have never had to step into LFR.<br /><br />Again, with that all said, I would still say it is well worth the investment for entertainment on a pure numbers level and even more, much much more, if we use your method of saying that one really great hour could be worth the $15 all on its own.<br /><br />So yes, even if I subtracted from all the negative experiences warcraft would still meet the $1/hr clip. It would not look like as good a value as it does now, no, but it would still be an incredible value for a repeatable form of entertainment.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-45409270384206290482014-10-02T08:44:22.692-04:002014-10-02T08:44:22.692-04:00That is what I was trying to get at when people we...That is what I was trying to get at when people were saying they were quitting because it 'was not worth it". The dollar cost for game play is well worth it, they are quitting because they no longer like it, not because the game is not worth what it costs.<br /><br />However, as you mentioned, something is only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it. I used to own a comic book store and I had to explain that to so many people trying to see things to me.<br /><br />Them: "But the price guide says it is worth $10, why won't you give me $10."<br />Me: "Because I do not want it."<br />Them: "How about $8, give me $8."<br />Me: "I would not even give you a quarter for it."<br />Them: " But the price guide says it is worth $10 why are you being a dick, just give me $5 then".<br />Me: "No, I do not want it."<br />Them: "Why?"<br />Me: "See those boxes over there with the 4 for a $1 sign on them? There are over 300 of them in there. The price guide might say they are worth $10 each and maybe they are somewhere in the US but here, in NY, in my store, they are not even worth 4 for a $1 because I can not sell them even at that price."<br /><br />Value is in the eye of the person paying for it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-11953795863005290572014-10-02T08:21:52.393-04:002014-10-02T08:21:52.393-04:00It never makes sense to me to try to quantize a de...It never makes sense to me to try to quantize a decision like that. Very Ecomomist, but doesn't feel right, Hours can be GREAT!, or fun, or forced but very un-fun, or pleasantly passing. One great hour can be worth $15 all on its own.<br /><br />But if you're following down that line, you really want to subtract the value of unpleasant hours. That is, if you value every enjoyable hour, you need to negative-value every annoying hour.<br /><br />You could assign the negative value of an hour in several ways. You could ask yourself: How much could you earn in an hour? Or you could ask yourself: If you spent an hour in an LFR you hated, how much would you have paid to not have to do that? Or you could just say that every unpleasant hour is worth -1$<br /><br />Now, I have no doubt that you will play WoW regardless of the results of this exercise. Which is one part of why I'm not crazy about the general method as applied to individuals, but if you are going to go all micro-econometric, you need to add up the downsides too. :)Gráinnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-39210347404312762872014-10-02T00:40:19.048-04:002014-10-02T00:40:19.048-04:00Some things I wanted to say were already said so i...Some things I wanted to say were already said so it may sound like I'm repeating myself. But the real question is what is the value of something?<br /><br />You know those really old postage stamps that are worth hundreds, maybe thousands of dollars? They are only worth that much because that's how much someone is willing to pay for it. They think it's worth it.<br /><br />Or like a $500 cut, colour and style at the hairdresser. Certain people value that, so it's worth it. Same as that $10000 Hermes Birkin handbag... what a bargain!<br /><br />When you worry about whether it's worth it's dollar value to you, it's easiest to compare it to something you also enjoy doing. Say, going to the movies. In Australia, it's $18 for a ticket for 2 hours. I like going to the movies. I think it's worth it. If I look at WoW, which is $16.50 a month and I play 30-40 hours a month, and I like playing, then yes, I think it's worth it's dollar per play. Imagine how much money I saved instead of going to the movies all the time. And we won't even talk about the popcorn and drinks and choc tops.<br /><br />The game is not worth it's dollar if you don't enjoy it. Even if it was 5c a month and you hated it, you might as well stop. Don't pay money if you're not having fun - because you know what? Then it sounds like an addiction....Navimiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08504557372435466448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-86798282533630015382014-10-01T16:13:08.156-04:002014-10-01T16:13:08.156-04:00While I do believe the time investment and the att...While I do believe the time investment and the attachment to character do play some part I would have to say the people you play with play a larger part. At least they do for me. See, my characters and achievements will be there if I leave for whenever I come back but my friends keep me playing. I have played many games for vast amounts of years that I quit and left behind even with time investment and such but once there was no longer a personal connection the connection with the game just was not enough to keep me playing them.<br /><br />You make a point, however the point you make actually does click with what I said. If you leave you are leaving for something else because you stopped enjoying it. Which in turn made it not worth it any longer. If you are still enjoying it, or anything about it, than I do not believe the cost is all that much. Even with box, subscription and possible extras. But yes, it does seem like a lot when you look at it at face value.<br /><br />I noticed that about wowinsider myself. They usually kiss as much ass as possible and even their writers seem to be turning to "the grumpy side", maybe like the dark side, with the way they are seeing things. Perhaps their eyes have been opened too?TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-32976007038597676902014-10-01T15:44:54.402-04:002014-10-01T15:44:54.402-04:00Thing is, the market has changed.
When all MMORP...Thing is, the market has changed. <br /><br />When all MMORPG's had subs, and hence you were choosing between pay 15$ for game A or 15$ for B, games had to soley rely on their merits.<br /><br />But now the question becomes: is WoW worth Box+ Expansion + Sub + possibly Service costs for a playable Server + possibly Gift Shop <br /><br />vs<br /><br />Box Only<br /><br />or<br /><br />nada + service fees?<br /><br />If for example you really like just levelling characters on your own, decorate a house, and doing small scale PvE, a game like EverQuest 2 is argueably much better value than WoW.<br /><br />Same with if you only like small-scale PvP/Arena, a game like LoL is much more economical in comparison.<br /><br />The main reason people don't switch MMORPG's is because of time-investment and attachment to their characters, but Blizz is rapidly making that moot with all the Accountwide features and removals (you can't show friends around in the game anymore, as the content you got attached to simply isn''t there anymore. I loved the Class and Key Quests but at best I can only say 'yeah we used to have this but you can't do that anymore').<br /><br />Frankly, with even e.g. WoWInsider not understanding Blizz' antics anymore, I really don't see WoD ending well.<br /><br />And Jay Wilson being on the Dev team is hardly encouraging, either. <br /><br />NetherLandsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-9185799048904904382014-10-01T15:37:13.871-04:002014-10-01T15:37:13.871-04:00I'll try to remember that, but knowing me I wo...I'll try to remember that, but knowing me I won't. lol<br /><br />That is the old school way of thinking of things. I can swear I have heard my grand parents say that or something to that effect before as well. If you are happy it really doesn't matter what it costs.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-88028452738375184002014-10-01T14:41:30.007-04:002014-10-01T14:41:30.007-04:00Chicago. The one I like is called Dave Burka'...Chicago. The one I like is called Dave Burka's, if you're ever in town. <br /><br />And you know, I have no idea if dry-aged steaks are a chicago thing from the good ol' meat packing days of the city, or an everywhere thing. hmmm... <br /><br />Anyhow, when I was little-ish, I bought an electric guitar with money I had saved up from various birthday and christmas presents, and I remember afterward sort of obsessing about how much I had spent, and still looking to see if there were better deals other places. And my grandpa made some comment that if I was happy with it, it didn't matter if I got a good deal or not. That's how I feel about WoW, and any other game, or entertainment in general. Deliriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576124406751861955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-22258727374651075012014-10-01T13:16:13.258-04:002014-10-01T13:16:13.258-04:00For a large part of it why I still play is the com...For a large part of it why I still play is the community as well. The blog community, the hunter community, the guild community, not so much the random community however, but that is what continues to keep me coming back no matter how upset I get about things sometimes. The community is great sometimes, at least select parts of it.<br /><br />As long as your enjoyment is worth what you spend, no matter what form of measurement you use, than it is a good investment in entertainment, as you said.<br /><br />Sounds interesting, where do you live? I'm in NYC.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-62606908898002503912014-10-01T13:10:38.636-04:002014-10-01T13:10:38.636-04:00But I live in New York City so I have no choice. ;...But I live in New York City so I have no choice. ;)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-77518088631491070502014-10-01T12:21:56.995-04:002014-10-01T12:21:56.995-04:00oh, right. And, the point of the steak story, and ...oh, right. And, the point of the steak story, and the DA:O and Gone Home story, is I don't think $/hour matters very much to me. If it's fun, if I'm having fun, I'll probably pay whatever (assuming I can afford it). An incredibly cheap (in $/hour) game like dragon age was really fun and awesome, a fairly expensive game like Gone Home was really fun and awesome. WoW is somewhere in the middle, but the point isn't to get the most hours per dollar spent, or even the most enjoyment per dollar spent. The point is simply to get the most enjoyment, within whatever arbitrary limit I put on entertainment funds. Deliriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576124406751861955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-53263443802434631092014-10-01T12:17:46.798-04:002014-10-01T12:17:46.798-04:00There's this joint here in chicago that specia...There's this joint here in chicago that specializes in aged steaks. And they've got the "just a little bit" aged steaks like the 28 day ribeye, or the 35 day KC strip or like, 50 bucks, and they've got a crazy 75 day ribeye for a hundred or so. But the best one is the (relatively) inexpensive 40 day ribeye, for only like, 65 bones. <br /><br />Looking through my steam account, I've spent 120 hours playing Dragon Age: Origins (including the DLCs) which I think cost 20 dollars for the ultimate edition. And I've also got Gone Home, which I also spent 20 dollars on, and played for less than 2 hours. I feel like I got more value out of both of those games than wow. Even though their $/hour varies so greatly. <br /><br />I do, however, still play wow, and intend to continue shelling out tons of cash for it (including nearly a thousand bucks to go to blizzcon next month). I don't think it's valuable because it's such a great game, but because I really like parts of the community. <br /><br />Maybe it's sort of splitting hairs to separate the value of the game, and the value of the community, but for me, at least, that's why the game is "worth it". Deliriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576124406751861955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-78111051078598775152014-10-01T12:06:54.060-04:002014-10-01T12:06:54.060-04:00hmm, you come up with the craziest shit to blog ab...hmm, you come up with the craziest shit to blog about about. <br /><br />Is it worth it? to me it is, BUTT (I like big butts and cannot lie) no butts really, just wanted to put that in something I am writing today. Anyway, drugs don't fail me now. Is it worth it? yuppers. I would never fucking spend $100 for a steak, never. No steak is worth that amount not even in New York City (those guys are way over price anyway).<br /><br />But since WOW is really my only outlet, @ $15 a month plus cost of any new add-ons like WoD, sure it is somewhere around $1 but probably less. too much math to figure it out down to the penny. <br /><br />So, in a nutshell, yes, it be good. Ok, not sure what I just said, but it's probably good. <br /><br /><i>"Onward thru the fog!"</i>.<br /><br />-roo <i>"free, free at last!"</i>-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-89795964909405638952014-10-01T10:56:44.507-04:002014-10-01T10:56:44.507-04:00I think the wow vs something else is huge at the m...I think the wow vs something else is huge at the moment and for me as well nothing else has come close. <br /><br />Both rift and wildstar were big for me, I could have left wow for them, but what kept me coming back to wow was the fact I had a built in friend base there and did not know anyone on the others. So I kept going back to my friends, not back to wow, so to speak. So even if I played them that put them below the $1/hr rate, or even if it didn't it was not as good a deal as wow was.<br /><br />I remember when they added the 100K valor in the pre patch for mists. As soon as I logged in I got it. Wow that was a lot of valor grinding I did over the years.<br /><br />Congrats on the waterlords.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-50473664925841730252014-10-01T10:47:20.759-04:002014-10-01T10:47:20.759-04:00And marvel heroes is a free game and you paid more...And marvel heroes is a free game and you paid more than $1 per hour on it. ;) Do not feel bad, so have I. I bought some costumes so I could be other classes and I am sure what I spent passes the 1 dollar per hour. Odd how a "free" game costs more to play than a pat game sometimes when looking at it that way.<br /><br />I do understand what you mean however. Like I mentioned in my post. Hours spent in LFR I do not count as quality entertainment because it is anything but.<br /><br />You are probably at the cross roads I am at. Where you have to judge time spent on things you do not like (LFR) vs time spent on things you do like (organized raiding) and then the quality of each. If the bad out weights to good it could be a time to step away. Personally, if it were not for organized raiding and personal progression, the game does not offer much any more. But still 15 bucks a month worth in my opinion.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.com