tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post5784730603085327063..comments2024-03-29T05:19:30.673-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: LFR: The First Day of MVTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-74055179562126909012012-10-11T12:34:30.948-04:002012-10-11T12:34:30.948-04:00Wow, that is insane healing. DPS makes sense, I ha...Wow, that is insane healing. DPS makes sense, I have seen tanks do amazing things in the DPS department, as much as 80K single target from a DK tank. My 441 tank pulls over 30K single target as is, I can only imagine what it will be like when I get gear.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-25293001834680546392012-10-11T11:00:18.865-04:002012-10-11T11:00:18.865-04:00As paladin tank i currently can easily get middle ...As paladin tank i currently can easily get middle spots on dps and middle spots on healing simultaneously with Seal of Insight, Lvl90 Ability, Battle Healer Glyph, and Sacred Shield absorbs giving pretty respectable 20-30k HPS.Shalckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929708411856414654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-47091745470861901032012-10-11T06:28:22.580-04:002012-10-11T06:28:22.580-04:00So if I do it as a tank one day and then a healer ...So if I do it as a tank one day and then a healer the next I can roll a coin as a healer but will get no normal loot?<br /><br />Interesting. I doubt that is intended but that is kind of cool.<br /><br />DPS can usually fix anything, with enough DPS you can actually start to ignore or cheese some mechanics but even in the watered down looking for raid will find you with people that do sub par (and that is being polite) DPS that even with a few great ones it would even out to still being average. <br /><br />In the group I was in we had 2 damage dealers under 12K, they should be embarrassed because the #2 healer in the group also had 15K DPS. But that is the way of life. You will always have a few slackers even in good groups.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-17659049629810481692012-10-11T04:21:49.257-04:002012-10-11T04:21:49.257-04:00Checked last boss in second group which had much l...Checked last boss in second group which had much lower dps (about 8 epicenters compared to previous group 4 on Feng), and i can see now why it would be required... at one point i got 5 60k bolts under 0.5 second, 4 of them coming literally same millisecond, killing me instantly from ~70% hp.<br /><br />If you just kill boss faster though, you might get low enough amount of total spirit spawns to heal through - as long as they are timed and not tied to boss HP.<br /><br />Interesting note - apparently if you queue as different role you can use coin roll for that role, even if you cannot get any boss kill loot... Or maybe they just didn't extend Sha rolls hotfix to LFR and you can roll regardless?Shalckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929708411856414654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-55021570646667139992012-10-10T22:36:05.639-04:002012-10-10T22:36:05.639-04:00The one I was in tanked all three dogs together as...The one I was in tanked all three dogs together as well and we had no problem. I was actually surprised as I was expecting it would be a wipe. <br /><br />Second boss the tanks seemed to not know about the buffs at all but it got done when we had a full group there and third boss I had a completely different experience on, with no one going in the first attempt it was a wipe. <br /><br />Perhaps you had better healers in your group. You need to send people in on LFR unless the entire group wants to be carried by the healers.<br /><br />So basically if a group does not send people in on the third boss and they still beat it, be happy and admit that you were 100% carried by your healers.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-73951420743853309722012-10-10T18:57:29.775-04:002012-10-10T18:57:29.775-04:00As for me, i did LFR as tank.
The group i joined ...As for me, i did LFR as tank.<br /><br />The group i joined in seemed to have wiped on first boss... and were blaming tanks. Looking at actual damage, it must have been healers asleep though. I mean explosion for just 30% HP compared to ~70% HP on normal? You could probably pop random raid cd and survive all three exploding together every time - and guildies said other groups did exactly that.<br /><br />And then other tank obviously weren't understanding how petrification works... he taunted while he had perfect petrification switches sticking to double dog side, expecting a swap when you don't need to do anything at all.<br /><br />But every boss was down in single try anyway.<br /><br />On Feng i grabbed Shroud of Reversal and managed to reach #1 spot on damage with 51k dps. I could probably get higher if i'd actually taunted more for vengeance stacks, but state of other tank was only looking a bit dangerous once or twice. With decent healers you can probably single-tank it all the way to the end.<br /><br />And on Spiritbinder... i think someone was going into spirit realm, which is totally unnecessary in LFR.<br /><br />Also i didn't do anything on my banishment, which should have killed me... but instead i got put back into normal realm about 5 seconds after being banished, barely enough to look around.Shalckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929708411856414654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-18616419743186783892012-10-10T13:04:01.337-04:002012-10-10T13:04:01.337-04:00Mine was horrible too, I think most were. The fac...Mine was horrible too, I think most were. The fact I did so bad and was still top 10 when I could have easily been doing 10K-15K more shows how off everyone else was as well.<br /><br />The real raiders might have been raiding be the real occasional and casual raiders were in there and that is why it was smooth. <br /><br />I have seen people with 80K+ left and right in heroics but none of them were anywhere to be found in the raid. I think that is because the fights lasted longer and the burst had time to cool down. I was usually over 70K 1 minute into the fight but always ended between 35K and 45K. While I am only at 460 equip and completely unenchanted I should be doing at least 55K-60K on a 5 minute fight in my opinion, so I still have a lot to get used to with the BM whack a mole rotation.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-85662347672517550232012-10-10T12:45:41.928-04:002012-10-10T12:45:41.928-04:00My LFR experience went pretty smoothly but I thoug...My LFR experience went pretty smoothly but I thought the dps was terrible in it. Mine was too as I had just changed keybinds for all my cds so was still getting used to them and like a derp forgot to raid hit and exp cap myself, I had been reforged for dungeons.<br /><br />I was first on 2/3 and second on the last one. This with barely breaking 50k in 459 equipped with 2 pvp pieces. Of course burst was more than double but I'm talking sustained dps over the course of a fight. <br /><br />IDK how we only managed to wipe once on the second boss. My dps was only around 50k give or take a k depending on the fight. And I was on top. :/ Shouldn't I have been blown out of the water? Maybe all the "real" raiders were raiding, idk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37716002071976340972012-10-10T10:54:59.825-04:002012-10-10T10:54:59.825-04:00I've always been a supporter of anything that ...I've always been a supporter of anything that allows to be queued for should be super easy. It needs to be catered to the lowest common denominator like it or not. Adding any degree of difficulty makes it stressful for everyone invloved, good, bad or just there for fun.<br /><br />I do like the looking for system for what it does, like you said, filling that missing spot when needed. I just don't think fondly of many of the people I run into with it.<br /><br />At least the heroics are not like they were at the start of cata. At the start of cata having even one person that did not know what to do could wipe you. Now, for the most part, they just find themselves dead. I think that is fine. Unless it happens to be the damn tank over and over again in the halls to that whirlwind the guy does. The fight becomes impossible when the tank and/or healer can not avoid it. <br /><br />Had a run like that yesterday. The DPS, me a mage and a rogue went all medieval on it and blew everything at the start knowing the healer and tank would die on the whirlwind like they did the previous two attempts. The healer died and the tank did soon after but he lived long enough to hold it some. When he died I put growl on my pet, he did not last long, I feigned when he came for me, the rogue died, the mage died and as he was coming for me again I called stampede, they kept him busy for a bit, he started to go into the whirlwind again, I dropped a trap to slow the adds and ran around in the circle following him, when he made it back to the center I finished him off. Thank god, my hands were shaking, it was exiting, I loved it. So see, even a bad group can sometimes be fun. But that is a rare, rare, rare thing.<br /><br />It also shows why being a hunter is so damn awesome. :)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-53397451949724981212012-10-10T10:22:40.147-04:002012-10-10T10:22:40.147-04:00I haven't done LFR yet. Two reasons. 1) My ile...I haven't done LFR yet. Two reasons. 1) My ilevel isn't there yet. I'm 9 points short. The reason for that is I haven't been pugging heroics. I've only ran them with friends which limits the number I can do. However, it's a lot more fun to do it like that and besides 2) We're running it as a group on Saturday. That's when the raid slot is and we can't raid normal yet as we don't have a full group. I've started a new guild, we got 7/10 now, need 3 more dps. So before Saturday we'll run some more heroics together to get the last few points, I can craft some gear and we'll be good to go.<br /><br />I refuse to run LFR alone due to what the community makes it. I'll run it as a healer and I definitely don't mind running as dps but I won't tank it. The other roles as long as you get on with it then you're invisible pretty much. As a tank you can't do anything right even if you are doing it right. I used to queue as dps or healer and then trade the tokens in for tank gear, but with the new loot system I'll have to go as tank, but I won't go alone.<br /><br />You're right in that the people that are in LFR aren't capable of what it asks of them. However, if you implement a queue system, remove effort requirement, then you deserve the people you get. It has to be faceroll easy for random groups to even hope to be able to complete it and LFR, and even heroics, aren't like that. I mean the trash in The Shado-Pan Monastery can wipe a guild group if you make a mistake. Group content needs to either be designed so that a trained monkey can do it, and then let that be queueable, or it shouldn't be queueable. LFR by it's design, it being queueable, means that it is designed for the dregs of the community, as they are the ones that need that artificial help. I'm not saying that the looking for system isn't useful. When you've got 4/5 people for a heroic, and you need a 5th, then having the ability to queue is good. Although depending on the 5th you get it might have been easier to 4 man it sometimes.<br /><br />Blizz are very naive, they must think that everybody is nice, willing to put in the effort for what they want. Well they aren't and it's time blizz realises that. If they want mass group content it has to be so easy that a trained monkey, or the half dozen decent players out of 25, can do it. The looking for system was barely manageable for heroics. For the people that are willing to put in the effort give us more challenge modes. For the queueing dumb it down, way down. Oh and turn off the chat as people only use it to abuse others.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17771213542953346538noreply@blogger.com