tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post5515439651238236030..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Things I Liked About Warlords... and Hope They Never Do AgainTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-62632377327550574022015-08-08T20:05:05.220-04:002015-08-08T20:05:05.220-04:00I've heard a lot of people thinking that many ...I've heard a lot of people thinking that many changes could have some token based ulterior motives involved and I do agree it is quite possible. I know if I ran a company like this I would think to try and get people to buy the token, so it is not exactly far fetched at all. I just wonder if this is what we can expect from now on. Everything being designed from a profit only angle instead of a game play one. I hope that does not happen because it could destroy the game, and fast. Here is to hoping they can find a balance between making compelling game play and making money.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-67591674175340079992015-08-08T19:31:26.779-04:002015-08-08T19:31:26.779-04:00I couldn't agree with you more on every point ...I couldn't agree with you more on every point made, but in particular on farming. We grumbled about it, we felt like it was "work", but at the end of the day, it's why we knew each zone like the back of our hands and had something to DO for crying out loud. Sure, you can go out in Draenor and farm ore, but why on Earth would you ever even consider it? It's certainly not profitable. <br /><br />I have often thought this all ties in to the token system. They have removed or nerfed every single thing that a person could make stupid amounts of gold on in the hopes that we will spend real money to buy a token to sell. It was a brilliant idea really. They effectively raised their sub price by $5 for all the players who pay via token. The problem is, they really damaged the game in the process. I'd have happily paid an increased sub instead. $20 is cheap entertainment in this day and age, and come on, they haven't raised their prices since they started. Yes, there would have been screaming and crying about it, but at the end of the day, the nerds would have continued to pay for their crack (myself included). <br /><br />High hopes they see the light for the next expac. It truly looks awesome! I'm not totally jaded yet. WoW hasn't been a game I've played for the last ten years, but rather I place I go and I'd miss it terribly if I finally became disenchanted enough with it to quit.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18197847313908667074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-21016026723439705412015-07-29T10:36:40.420-04:002015-07-29T10:36:40.420-04:00The problem with that was that everything in warlo...The problem with that was that everything in warlords was "one and done". The rares you kill once and can never kill again. The bonus zones you complete once and can never do again. The treasure you hunt for once and can never find again. etc.<br /><br />Too much "one and done" design and facebook games like garrisons are what doomed it. Sure it seemed fun at launch because it had that new car smell, but that fades. Being I played beta I warned everyone about that, they just did not listen to me.<br /><br />I personally like having an attainable BiS. It gives me something to aim for. It is also easier to get then hoping for RNG for it to drop, then hoping for RNG for it to have a gem slot, then hoping for RNG for it to be warforged. I don't want RNG plied on RNG piled on RNG. I just want a piece of gear, I put it on and I kill things. Plain and simple. I am an easy to please elf. Amazing that blizzard has such a hard time pleasing me thanks to RNG design.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-32791705707545891622015-07-29T10:19:11.863-04:002015-07-29T10:19:11.863-04:00I didn't play this expansion, but I find it fu...I didn't play this expansion, but I find it funny that when it first came out everyone was loving it saying it was one of the best. They had a good start and just didn't follow it up/execute properly. I would like to see them do something drastic and basically eliminate levels and just have all content be doable by everyone and make almost everything account wide. Followers, garrisons, reputations, professions, just everything. You should play alts just to play a different class. This way if a pattern for JC drops on any toon, you can use it. If you like doing certain types of content on certain classes you do it on that class. You should do content to see that content not as a reason to get to something else. Too many people go through leveling just to get to endgame, and others love the leveling content but hate endgame. If all content was just doable by anyone with no levels the ones that like a specific type of content will do that content. Go the way Windows seems to be going of eliminating the boxed expansion and just keep releasing bits of content. This month is new quests. This month is new dungeons. This month is a new raid. This month is new reputations. Etc. <br /><br />I understand why they added the rng of WF/Gem slots to make BiS not as attainable as it basically became everyone was waiting for only their BiS items and anything else was garbage because at one point you could expect to get pretty close to BiS in a tier, but there needs to be something predictable in the game still (ie valor gear) as there is a huge difference between those raiding mythic for months on end with every drop being sharded and those playing an alt every once in a while just hoping to make some progress. Cainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787494494043104629noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-65054636866653307552015-07-29T07:42:30.811-04:002015-07-29T07:42:30.811-04:00All m JCs are tanks. I only tank on them. So tha...All m JCs are tanks. I only tank on them. So that will make doing it a slight bit harder for sure. I'll probably just over gear it to get it.<br /><br />I do have a hunter that is a JC but he is on an inactive account and still sitting at level 85 where he has been since the account went inactive back in cataclysm.<br /><br />Doing it on a hunter = no problem.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-32377575119559677372015-07-29T07:34:10.943-04:002015-07-29T07:34:10.943-04:00My JC is my Mage, not the character I would choose...My JC is my Mage, not the character I would choose to take into the Brawlers Guild. I do role-play, and that's just not him.<br /><br />The glorious irony is that being an Arcane mage he really wants to make Mastery gems......Grumstanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-83796987900674106732015-07-29T07:20:48.109-04:002015-07-29T07:20:48.109-04:00There has been a steady declined in the thought an...There has been a steady declined in the thought and planning of the game as a whole it seems. It is what I often refer to here as a management issue. Blizzard just needs some new blood running the show, someone with ideas, someone with a direction, no more of this throw whatever comes to mind in and see what sticks.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-64942570127197646852015-07-29T07:19:17.559-04:002015-07-29T07:19:17.559-04:00Yeah, I liked them the first time through but on a...Yeah, I liked them the first time through but on alts it started to get bothersome. Perhaps that is why you did not notice it the way I did, as you do not have the alt army that I do. It is something that only people with alts might notice honestly. For a single player, no problem what so ever as I see it.<br /><br />I forgot about the invasions. I liked those. I still need a couple of platinum. By the time they added them I could never find anyone that wanted to do them any more sadly. Hate seeing easy to get achievements like that just hanging there undone.<br /><br />I think blizzard likes this legendary system and they will likely stick with it. Would love to see it become a bit less annoying. I did not mind the first two parts, it was only mild RNG but the tomes suck. 9 bosses, 2 tomes. How is that even possible? They need to remove the RNG from it to make it a less frustrating process in my opinion. They would have been better off saying we needed 100 and they dropped off every boss than saying we needed 33 and leaving it to luck for when we finish it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-33783375235312158832015-07-29T07:12:12.421-04:002015-07-29T07:12:12.421-04:00We have become spoiled, and that is blizzards faul...We have become spoiled, and that is blizzards fault, so yes, being grounded does seem like a punishment once you reach max level. Based on the feedback they received, enough to make them reverse their decision, I think they notice that now as well. Or at least hope they do.<br /><br />Quest rewards being upgrades are fine. It is something you will replace at max level. But in that case, even if you get a follower at a low level, as they are used end game, they should not have been randomized upgrades.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-2832660859256467282015-07-29T06:49:31.851-04:002015-07-29T06:49:31.851-04:00I have not gotten into the ring quest line much th...I have not gotten into the ring quest line much this expansion, only have 3 with it and 3 slowly up and coming. But that is because LFR is not worth doing any more so my alts are not doing it and this not getting the pieces they need for the ring.<br /><br />Wrath was the best balance any expansion ever had. Easy and challenging, very story focused, but free flowing too. A little bit of everything for everyone. I still wonder why blizzard has completely removed from the wrath model when the fact remains, it was the best the game ever saw from a story and game play perspective.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-27844216607070850742015-07-29T06:46:54.181-04:002015-07-29T06:46:54.181-04:00Felblight and its dreadful drop rate are all I am ...Felblight and its dreadful drop rate are all I am short of. I have over 800 of each element, closing in on 1000 of some. But I have a lot of alts, so that could be why.<br /><br />If they ever add buying felblight for primals I could buy a ton of them, sitting on over 10,000 primals right now with nothing to spend them on. I wish they would do that, at 50 per (like the savage blood was at the start) I would have enough felblights to last the rest of the expansion.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-65448357981251889342015-07-29T06:43:02.529-04:002015-07-29T06:43:02.529-04:00I agree, garrisons should have been account wide. ...I agree, garrisons should have been account wide. It would have relieved the feeling of mandatory or time wasting that a lot of people felt from them. Cycling through my characters early on when I still did it started to feel more like a job than a game I play for entertainment purposes.<br /><br />The JC thing is a little strange. It is really a feel of old school crafting and I am not sure I like it. I still do not have the all the JC patterns on any of my max level jewel crafters. Can not be bothered doing the brawlers guild. Have all the others however. I'll get there one day. I just hate that something that is "optional" content like the brawlers guild was made mandatory for jewel crafters.<br /><br />Having the mine and garden reset weekly is an interesting idea. That could have helped some in lowering the massive influx of materials.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-68232426536398826772015-07-29T04:37:08.268-04:002015-07-29T04:37:08.268-04:00I no longer enjoy Draenor.
My raiding days are lon...I no longer enjoy Draenor.<br />My raiding days are long past. I much prefer jumping into WoW for some entertainment, when I can. The solo contant since Cata is dismal.<br />I feel that Draenor is a bunch of Facebook apps thrown in, with no real continuity of the MMO.<br />One of my biggest gripes is the steady decline in the thought and planning given tp professions.Bikutandahttp://saanlem.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-12163931522518608302015-07-29T04:09:50.973-04:002015-07-29T04:09:50.973-04:00TBH, I think random upgrades are fun. I suppose it...TBH, I think random upgrades are fun. I suppose it is because you said on your alt NOT getting them was not fun, and I had only done it the once so it was fun then.<br /><br />I like treasures. I don't like jumping to get them. You're right, that bit is not fun. I like that you can find treasures daily (in Tanaan) and in Ashran, and I like that you can find treasures for XP, garrison resources, toys etc.<br /><br />Mine and herbs, definitely not again. I did like it at first. Maybe only for a month.<br /><br />I agree that Garrisons should be a housing thing and maybe full of little things like pet battles, fishing quests etc which don't mean much to the big game picture. Also having a bank and little portals in it is fun too. Invasions I hope will stay. I like the idea of invasions. And don't get me started on shipyard which is fun to build but i hate sending my boats out on missions.<br /><br />I like this legendary chain, but I hope I never have to do another again. But I think that's pushing it.<br /><br />Navimiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08504557372435466448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-86500273497497556482015-07-28T22:48:38.409-04:002015-07-28T22:48:38.409-04:00Herbs and Ore for All:
I didn't like the Garri...Herbs and Ore for All:<br />I didn't like the Garrison buildings flooding everyone with mats, but I'd be fine with all gathering professions becoming Secondary professions.<br /><br />Profession at Level 1:<br />Generally agree with Grumpy.<br /><br />Being Grounded:<br />Agree that "Pathfinder" should be there at launch and should be for just getting Loremaster and Explorer. Other things are just an annoyance. Account wide can be at max or min level, either is fine. I can deal with being grounded for a few days while leveling, but after that, it's like punishment...<br /><br />Garrisons:<br />Agree that it should be housing, not a huge Garrison that is a central theme of the expansion. Smaller, more customizable would be good. I like the idea of a notice board for quests (offering dailies or weeklies or something). It should have nothing to do with Legendary questlines... Just make it a cosmetic thing in SW/ORG; for example, have your own instanced airship/zeppelin that I've heard people suggest.<br /><br />Jumping Puzzles:<br />Treasures were a nice addition; like the random chests of the old days. This is not a platforming game, so jumping puzzles should never be a thing.<br /><br />New Character Models:<br />Agree that it'd be better to have constant incremental updates instead of making it such a big deal for the expansion's "content".<br /><br />Randomized Upgrades:<br />Quest rewards could randomly upgrade, that's fine. Endgame gear should not be random.Jaegerhttps://twitter.com/makosdvnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-25915153642085663402015-07-28T22:17:00.598-04:002015-07-28T22:17:00.598-04:00*as well.
I don't have many alts. But, I do h...*as well.<br /><br />I don't have many alts. But, I do have 7 Level 3 Garrisons, 6 Level 3 Shipyards (and 1 Level 2), and 7 715 rings from the Legendary quest chain. While I do feel a bit exhausted at times, that's my cue to get away from the com (or WoW at least) and do other stuff (e.g. talk to my widow mum).<br /><br />Despite not being there while it's active content, Wrath had the best storyline, hands down. It's something that is glaringly missing in Warlords.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-61080973055823783562015-07-28T22:04:45.852-04:002015-07-28T22:04:45.852-04:00@Grumpy: I don't know what to say. I mean: I c...@Grumpy: I don't know what to say. I mean: I can see your point of view, but personally, I don't have big issues with garrisons. I've stopped herbing and mining in my garrisons for a long while. Across my characters, I do have tons of ore and herbs. What I do NOT have tons of are the Sorcerous elements, Savage Blood and *drumroll* Felblight. Those stuff are now the bottlenecks of professions, and the gathering of Felblight is so unfunny I can't describe it.<br /><br />The pruning of profession stuffs went a bit overboard. Now, if I don't want the 3 Unique (Warlords crafted) items, what can I create with professions? Very little. Enchantments are now pruned massively (and there were no new enchantments for 6.2) and jewelcrafting's a joke now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-24918079987444144362015-07-28T20:10:44.400-04:002015-07-28T20:10:44.400-04:00It all comes down to Garrisons for me. WoD made th...It all comes down to Garrisons for me. WoD made the outside world irrelevant. If Blizzard brings back elements of garrisons for future xpacs, I'd like them to do the following... My opinion, of course...<br /><br />1) To get players back out in the world, or at least in the major cities, future garrisons should not have training dummies, auction house, bank/guild vault, transmog and void storage vendor, etc. <br /><br />2) No more gated professions. This was never an issue originally in the game. As much as the new epic jewelcrafting recipes are kind of annoying to get, they at least bring us out of the garrisons. The mastery pattern from Brawler's guild is extreme, but you get the point. Perhaps have some questlines or followers to find in order to get that awesome recipe, out in the world, every major patch, where it might take a couple weeks of grinding to get.<br /><br />3) Put them in Azeroth, near your race's starting area. That way Blizz saves on wasting resources every xpac. It goes on till the end of the game. This way, it repopulates the world again. <br /><br />4) Similar to the stables, make cosmetic buildings that are general in a way, but reflect you. We have the Stables which show some of the mounts you have. Expand on this. Have a library that somehow shows the achievements you have. Or an armory that shows the cool transmog gear you have, or that trophy room with the epic gear or weapons you've accumulated.<br /><br />5) Lastly, get rid of the garrison prison problem. Have it be something similar to the shipyard...by that I mean the amount of missions you have and the time it takes. I love that I don't need to check my naval missions that often. Make it where you have to check on them every few days, or idealy once a week. If you have a mine or herb garden, make it where once you grab your herb and nodes, you can't again till it resets on it resets for the week.<br /><br />Finally, make garrisons BIND ON ACCOUNT.<br /><br />End rant.Samsonitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-69364242972932228262015-07-28T16:16:41.380-04:002015-07-28T16:16:41.380-04:00Seems like you added a few that did not pop into m...Seems like you added a few that did not pop into my mind. I did not mind some of the ones you mentioned however. Like getting mythic after I have killed xx heroic actually made sense to me. If I killed that many heroic I probably do not need any heroic gear, so it was a nice little way to feel like I still had a chance at an upgrade. If anything I wish it were expanded, so if my main is getting mythic, all my characters do. But that is just me being greedy. :PTheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-1909346981274997592015-07-28T16:12:28.022-04:002015-07-28T16:12:28.022-04:00I never minded being grounded while leveling. Wou...I never minded being grounded while leveling. Would I prefer to have flying from the start? Absolutely. But it is not a deal breaker for me if I don't. I do want flight at max level however.<br /><br />The RNG issue is something I could write a weeks worth of posts about all on its own. I hate it, always hated it and always will hate it. It is a lazy way to design a game and an even lazier way to build a reward system based around. It is a cheap way out.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-8549282965283750622015-07-28T16:08:25.280-04:002015-07-28T16:08:25.280-04:00Yeah, I hate that my alts that were made just for ...Yeah, I hate that my alts that were made just for profession mules need to do things that they never had intention to do to get patterns.<br /><br />But it is not the first time they did that. Last expansion you needed to farm spirits on your alts, before that you needed to do dungeons for chaos orbs on your alts. My leather worker is my rogue and if you read here you know I am not very good on it. So I have been "forced" to play it every expansion if I wanted to make stuff for my hunter.<br /><br />So the idea is not new, it is just the first time JC needed to deal with it. But this is something they always did and something I never liked.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-4221590511663938942015-07-28T15:57:34.718-04:002015-07-28T15:57:34.718-04:00There were a lot of glimmers of something great in...There were a lot of glimmers of something great in warlords, do not get me wrong. It had potential. I think will be the saddest part looking back on things, wasted potential.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-21254735763803746622015-07-28T15:56:25.914-04:002015-07-28T15:56:25.914-04:00@Thuggs
Very good break down on it. Never though...@Thuggs<br /><br />Very good break down on it. Never thought of it as them removing the need for expertise or experience was the issue with those things but as you explain it, it does make sense. Basically it took the game play out of playing the game.<br /><br />@Casually Odd<br /><br />Of course navel missions have stories. They just happen to be really fast and you can read them in one second when doing the missions.<br /><br />I think of the story of naval missions like the bazooka joe comics that used to come around the bubble gum. (if you do not remember those, they were really really short stories.)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-73302667653759477322015-07-28T15:53:23.045-04:002015-07-28T15:53:23.045-04:00No toys that aren't actually toys though. Tho...No toys that aren't actually toys though. Those drive me crazy. <br /><br />"Here's the awesome new toys tab to clear up space."<br /><br />Great! <br /><br />"Okay, and here are some non-toys that work exactly like toys but aren't."<br /><br />...Casually Oddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14127631692831609847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-4234237891520755472015-07-28T15:51:07.275-04:002015-07-28T15:51:07.275-04:00Some things just always seem to elude people, I gu...Some things just always seem to elude people, I guess those patterns are your bane.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.com