tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post2755360970836201035..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Monday Random ThoughtsTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-92005297011342597332013-10-24T07:27:55.456-04:002013-10-24T07:27:55.456-04:00I didn't add a word at all. I might not have ...I didn't add a word at all. I might not have used the word "raiding" but I was talking about the new LFRs. I kind of figured it could be inferred that I was talking about raiding.<br /><br />I was talking about how the end game is currently unplayable because the groups in LFR are so horrible, the wait time is unbearable, and the community is toxic in them.<br /><br />If I am talking about LFR as part of the gearing up process, that means I am talking about raiding.<br /><br />So I did not add a word. I just expected people to understand I was talking about raiding.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-74274097711303104372013-10-23T14:21:17.215-04:002013-10-23T14:21:17.215-04:00A but you added a word here that change EVERYTHING...A but you added a word here that change EVERYTHING.<br /><br />End game RAIDING is obviously SoO. But it's not THE end game in its entieretyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-46320003100739599432013-10-23T11:27:51.949-04:002013-10-23T11:27:51.949-04:00We will agree to disagree.
End, but definition is...We will agree to disagree.<br /><br />End, but definition is the end. It is not what leads up to the end. MV is not end game, SoO is. Even if they can both be done at 90.<br /><br />I am not narrowing end game to only raiding, I am talking about end game raiding.<br /><br />Difference, big one.<br /><br />While there are a million and one things to do at level cap (notice the difference, level cap, not end game) when talking about end game raiding that means SoO.<br /><br />Argue it all you want. End game raiding is SoO.<br /><br />To all raiders, everywhere, it might be LFR version, it might be flex version, it might be normal version and it might be heroic version. But when talking about end game raiding SoO is end game. End of story.<br /><br />Like I said, we can agree to disagree, but you will never made me say MV is end game raiding. It is not.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-31563736636836572202013-10-23T08:48:38.919-04:002013-10-23T08:48:38.919-04:00I must agree with the previous poster.
You're...I must agree with the previous poster.<br /><br />You're SO wrong on this one Grumpy it's painful (really).<br /><br />End game is by definition what you do at level cap. If you haven't bought mist, then your end game is just smaller.<br /><br />YOU decided to narrow your end game at the last tier of raid.<br /><br />But what about ppl that don't care about raiding? What about ppl that are doing only pet battle once they reach level cap?<br /><br />I know quite a lot of ppl that are still progressing ToT HC because they want to clear it before moving to SoO, does that mean they have no end game?<br /><br />What about those that like go back to old content and solo stuff?<br /><br />Sure it's outdated content but it's still something you do at END GAME.<br /><br />What about those that do only PvP, are you considering they don't have end game because they'll never step into SoO?<br /><br />SoO is current tier, nothing more PERIOD.<br /><br />End game is what you do when you've reach max level, narrowing it to only the current raid tier is in my opinion missing the whole point of the game.<br /><br />Example : I'm currently raiding SoO HC, but I'm not raiding every night, the night I'm not raiding I spend most of my time on TI hunting for bloody coin. THAT is end game asweel, you can only do that at level 90.<br /><br />If you're really narrowing the end game to gearing and raiding, I feel sad for youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-34869042876260085762013-10-22T12:37:46.389-04:002013-10-22T12:37:46.389-04:00Again, that is what "you" call end game....Again, that is what "you" call end game. End game is current content.<br /><br />SoO is the current end game. Not part of it, it is it. Anything previous to that is leading up to that.<br /><br />Nope, if you still need 522 gear from ToT you are going to do "catching up" to get to the end game. The end game is not floating. It is the current content. Just because you never did ToT and might need it doesn't make ToT your end game, it is still old content. Catch up content.<br /><br />It isn't about what I consider end game it is what is end game. The current top level content is end game. You can not argue that.<br /><br />If you never purchased mists, DS is still your end game because it is the most current content for 85.<br /><br />If you level locked your character at 80, ICC and RS is end game because it is the most current content.<br /><br />End game is the last of the current content. It is not my opinion, it is a fact.<br /><br />That is like telling saying that being you never saw the walking dead season 3 that it is the current season. No, season 4 just started, so that is the current season, even if you never saw season 3. Season 3 is catch up viewing now. Tot is catch up raiding now. Got it. Not an opinion, not something "I" think. It is a fact. Current content is end game just like the current season is the new season. You can not argue that.<br /><br />Want to argue wowwiki? Sure, I am more than happy to argue someones opinion. Wowwiki is what someone wrote. Just as what I wrote here is just what someone wrote. Only difference is, I offered something to back up "current content" and they didn't even reference it.<br /><br />However, I will give you one thing, even if it is something you did not even mention.<br /><br />Each persons end game is different. Some people PvP, so that is their end game. Some people like dungeons and never raid, so that is there end game. Some people just work on achievements and reputations, things they can do solo, and that is their end game. For some LFR is end game, some it is now flex, some it is normal, some it is heroic. So end game is what you make of it. Each persons end game is different.<br /><br />However, with that said, the end game for the PvP person is the most recent (current) season. The end game for the dungeon runner is the most recent (current) release of dungeons. The end game for the achievements and reputations that you can get solo are the most recent (current) achievements and reputations you can get solo. For the LFR, flex, normal or heroic raider guess what their end game is? The most recent (current) raid.<br /><br />How amazing that end game is always dictated by what is the current tier isn't it?<br /><br />You level to 90 then you move to a different way of leveling and that is item level. All 90 content is not equal because some 90 content requires a different form of leveling, leveling with gear. The highest current gear level is the current end game.<br /><br />Call MV, HoF and ToES as level 90. Call ToT as level 91. Call SoO as level 92. If that makes it easier for you to understand, then go for it. But SoO is current end game.<br /><br />And to repeat what I said.<br /><br />The end game is broken for the non raiding player. It is unplayable.<br /><br />Feel free to argue that point all you want. But you can not argue end game. End game is current content.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-48939857293736576742013-10-22T11:08:30.666-04:002013-10-22T11:08:30.666-04:00You're ... so wrong that I'm not even sure...You're ... so wrong that I'm not even sure how to respond.<br /><br />Gearing up is ONE ASPECT of end game. It ISN'T end game.<br /><br />End game is what you do at level cap, nothing more, nothing less. Calling your opinion a fact doesn't make it a fact, it's still just a (very narrow) opinion.<br /><br />Hell, in a literal sense, going back and finishing off quests you missed is an end game activity.<br /><br />SoO is the CURRENT TIER RAID. It's a PART of end game. It ISN'T end game.<br /><br />End game doesn't SHIFT. By your argument (I think), if I still need i522 gear from normal ToT, then normal ToT IS end game. Once I don't need it anymore, ToT IS NO LONGER end game.<br /><br />Reality check... what YOU consider end game, either for one toon, or for your entire stable, isn't what determines end game. End game IS ITS OWN THING, it isn't something that you can just arbitrarily change at your own whim, it doesn't change from player to player. What WE do as end game determines OUR end game, not THE end game.<br /><br />As a check, I wrote that up and just before hitting Publish I did a quick Bing check on "warcraft what is end game?" and clicked on the FIRST RESULT, linked here:<br /><br />http://www.wowwiki.com/End-game<br /><br />So, yeah. Shockingly, they don't try to differentiate "at end game" and "end game" because there IS no difference, end game is end game. Unless you want to argue with WoWWiki...?<br /><br />Players who don't raid have end game, too. Seriously, this needs to be explained?Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-82879260082421292692013-10-22T10:06:23.835-04:002013-10-22T10:06:23.835-04:00The priest is sadly on a solo server so no other c...The priest is sadly on a solo server so no other chars there to assist him and blizzard has not quite figured out how to make BoA items actually BoA items yet or I would have had everything for him.<br /><br />Have to love having all the extras to funnel some love the way of a new char to 90. I am going to level a few new chars once realm merging is done, being I will then be able to make more. Does that sound bad? lolTheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-44449655290403765342013-10-22T10:04:19.173-04:002013-10-22T10:04:19.173-04:00I've seen full groups, everyone alive, all doi...I've seen full groups, everyone alive, all doing mechanics, still missing enrage timers because they are not doing enough DPS. Once more GC proves he is clueless.<br /><br />I am still sitting with the 510 shoulders and 530 helm myself for last theirs 2 piece. I have 2 561 and one LFR piece for 3 pieces of the new set. Can't wait to get rid of them.<br /><br />I have not won anything since week 2 sadly, it started out nice and went back to my life is hell.<br /><br />Using 3 coins a week on 3 weapon bosses and no weapon yet, no nothing.<br /><br />I healed SoO normal the other day however and guess what dropped? I have a 100% drop rate on bosses that drop hunter weapons when I am tanking or healing and a 0% when I am on my hunter even using coins. I swear sometimes I get sick and tired of the RNG in this game.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-32665518472588650642013-10-22T09:59:03.095-04:002013-10-22T09:59:03.095-04:00I too hate the gear treadmill, but I like playing ...I too hate the gear treadmill, but I like playing catch up because you can feel yourself getting somewhere. That is hugely important in any fantasy based game like this. You need to see yourself moving forward.<br /><br />That is why I like catching up on a fresh 90. The gear comes fast and furious at you and you feel marked improvements. Like when you first reach that mark where mana no longer becomes the enemy. Or when you can trust your shield to actually absorb something other than incidentals. Or seeing that 30K shield go up, than the 40K one, then the 50K one and each time it goes higher and higher.<br /><br />That is the fun of gearing up, seeing yourself grow.<br /><br />I went from my new priest and his 34K shield to my main priest and her 240K shield. Wow, what a difference gear makes.<br /><br />I still need that mount too. :(<br /><br />I think that is exactly why blizzard puts limits, they are afraid people will get bored and quit. I don't think the grasp the concept that all that does is chase people away when the reach the limit. Someone like myself that would pass it is not going to quit because I am done gearing my priest, I will just move to another 90 to work on or go make another 90.<br /><br />@ Jaeger<br /><br />Exactly, limits make things jobs. No limits makes things choices.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-49433822788718382952013-10-22T09:48:12.633-04:002013-10-22T09:48:12.633-04:00Nope, just stopped playing for the weekend. There...Nope, just stopped playing for the weekend. There was nothing to do so I didn't hang out online just for the sake of hanging out online.<br /><br />No matter how much I might want to run LFR for my alts, I will not subject myself to it.<br /><br />I had one of those on my healer. #1 in healing and #4 in damage done. Sad, isn't it?<br /><br />Your rotation would be too complex for most people I think. They just need to lower the requirements for them but at least 50% of what they currently are, and I bet you would still see a wipe here and there, but that would be fine. A wipe here is there in LFR is awesome. Having to wipe, expecting to wipe, is not good design for random content.<br /><br />I am learning more and more to play the game I want to play and not feel forced into playing the game blizzard wants me to.<br /><br />Maybe I should thank them for that?TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-84537898917348566202013-10-22T09:44:49.918-04:002013-10-22T09:44:49.918-04:00They should want to keep people coming back. Bott...They should want to keep people coming back. Bottom line. That is what sub games do.<br /><br />If people feel like there is nothing to do, they quit. If I want to work my ass off on one character this week and do another next week, it is my choice, just as it would be my choice to stop playing because there was nothing to do.<br /><br />If I am the type of person that wants to get it all done ASAP, I am not going to quit after I get it all done, I move to another character.<br /><br />However, if I am the type fo person that wants to get it all done ASAP, I might quit if I feel there is nothing I can do.<br /><br />So yes, if they want people coming back next week they have to not limit things. TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-77613452218732625462013-10-22T05:31:20.325-04:002013-10-22T05:31:20.325-04:00I think that for once I was more organised than so...I think that for once I was more organised than someone. My Warlock was the only character not levelled to 90, so all Timeless Cloth items got posted at the end of a session.<br /><br />Needless to say I managed iLevel 494 in about 30 minutes. I just need to get everything gemmed and enchanted.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15475673092257340904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-33225159640505602982013-10-22T01:40:59.382-04:002013-10-22T01:40:59.382-04:00You're funny sometimes. Would a sub game care ...You're funny sometimes. Would a sub game care how much you 'keep going' like an obsessed freak that wants to finish everything in one week? Or would it be better if they made it so you come back the next week?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-48246115618837588872013-10-22T00:50:20.700-04:002013-10-22T00:50:20.700-04:00aha...... and you are quitting WoW?
LFR is..... i...aha...... and you are quitting WoW?<br /><br />LFR is..... interesting. I can't help it, I enjoy the challenge to bring groups of semi capable "heroes" through shamans and general. But sometimes ... it's bad. Last Saturday I was #2 in damage done (almost #1) ... as tank.<br /><br />I think Blizzard makes a bad design error. Every DPS should be able to do 50% of max DPS with auto attack and ONE special attack. The complex rotations are just too much for LFR. <br /><br />Rauxis, chosen of CAT<br />Rauxisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-80324951100549524162013-10-21T20:11:05.040-04:002013-10-21T20:11:05.040-04:00I'm fine with weekly caps like the valor cap, ...I'm fine with weekly caps like the valor cap, but daily or hourly caps are a pain in the ass. I have limited play time per week and it's usually condensed to the weekends. I'm not a daily player (even though I've done a shit-ton of dailies), so daily limits are like having another job and hourly limits are just stupid...Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-14500881089065627152013-10-21T20:03:42.774-04:002013-10-21T20:03:42.774-04:00I'm trying to do the "end-game" with...I'm trying to do the "end-game" without "raiding in an organized group" and I can definitely relate to the comments.<br /><br />LFRs are hit and miss, some are OK and some are just horrible. I have yet to have a good one in SoO. The one or two of us in the group doing 100k+ can't carry the rest who are doing < 60k. I've never seen so many enrage timers in LFR. Wipes, sure, people screw up and we wipe, but we don't hit enrages.<br /><br />I think it was GC who made a comment recently that enrages were because people weren't following mechanics... Sure if half the raid is dead due to mechanics, but that's not what I'm seeing. I'm seeing 20+ players alive at the end and we hit an enrage! WTF?!?! It's because half the raid is doing 30-50K DPS. That isn't good enough for LFR. Hell, it's barely good enough for heroic dungeons.<br /><br />On the loot front, I'm at 546:<br />No loot off the Celestials yet, but I've gotten the warforged chest and legs off Ordos. <br />I've got a 536 weapon and trinket from LFR already.<br />I've got 7 543 items and one 535 that I still need to upgrade.<br />And the legendary cloak of course. <br />That leaves the 530 T15 gloves and 510 LFR T15 helm for T15 2pc.<br /><br />Based on FemaleDwarf and AMR, a T16 4pc set using 2 normal and 2 LFR is a downgrade from the 2pc using 2 normal and having 2 warforged items for the others.<br /><br />So I really only need to focus on the world bosses. Isn't much reason to do LFR. I still do them because I want to know the fights better, so that in case I get into a flex or normal, I generally know what to do. I really question it a lot though when I'm in there.<br /><br />Just realized, I haven't done Malkorok in LFR yet... Done that wing twice, but always start at Spoils. Yet that's the only fight I've attempted in Flex... At least I've seen it.<br /><br />On the alts side, my DK is 497 thanks to free 496 gear, etc. I don't want to actually play him though...<br /><br />I should level up my mage to 90 just to soak up all the 496 cloth tokens I have... She's an enchanter so she can DE the excess ones as well. I've just been vendoring the excess plate ones for my DK and mail for my hunter.<br /><br />Gamebreaker is starting their Gamebreaker Nation up soon. The WoW guilds will be on Turalyon-US. I created a toon on there just to see what's going on.<br /><br />I'm starting to get a collection of random (useless) toons on different servers:<br />Turalyon-US Alliance:<br />-lvl 6 monk<br />-lvl 1 name reserver<br />Proudmoore-US Alliance:<br />-lvl 1 name reserver<br />Earthen Ring-US Alliance:<br />-lvl 1 name reserver<br />Aerie Peak-US Alliance:<br />-lvl 1 name reserver<br />Icecrown-US Alliance:<br />-lvl 22 WHU dwarven hunter<br />Plus my 10 toons on Drak'thul-US Alliance.<br /><br />Still haven't decided what I'm going to do. Meanwhile, the handful of us left in the guild on Drak'thul are leveling it up... Just hit lvl 12... LOL.Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-55388014098940368492013-10-21T19:25:58.648-04:002013-10-21T19:25:58.648-04:00I think the problem is choice. You were in the moo...I think the problem is choice. You were in the mood to play your priest and the cost/benefit was no longer as favourable so you didn't want to waste your time. Fair enough. However, while it would have been less efficient as you'd only be potentially getting drops, rather than drops and valor, something was still available to do on the gear treadmill. It's when everything gear wise is exhausted then blizz is saying stop doing that, before that point though diminishing returns does kick in with the cap.<br /><br />Personally though I don't find gearing fun. I hate the gear treadmill. I like what I can do with good gear but outside of my main, where I accumulate gear as a matter of course, it's annoying to obtain. Gear in itself for me is never a fun goal. So I spend my game time outside raids ranting about the instance limit that means I can only kill Slabhide 5x an hour (190 attempts and counting, stupid mount), running around timeless isle for achievement drops and rep, massacring dinos for a primal egg, leveling my last 3 sub 90 chars to cap, banging my head in brawlers or proving grounds, flying around for archy or pet battles.<br /><br />I think blizz shouldn't put like the parental control of the cap in tbh. If you want to gear like mad then you should be able to because the game is what you make it. You like gearing, I find it deathly boring. Blizz should let us both grind away if we want to do that. Lose the cap, lose the instance limit.<br /><br />Would people be happy then or worse off? Would you run out of things to do if there wasn't an artificial sign saying take a break?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17771213542953346538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37104587886589222762013-10-21T15:56:46.477-04:002013-10-21T15:56:46.477-04:00"at end game" and "end game" a..."at end game" and "end game" are two completely different things.<br /><br />End game is SoO right now. Just because other things are made for the same level cap does not mean they are end game, it is old content.<br /><br />And, if it is not "current content" it is not end game is the appropriate mentality. Why should people shake the facts?<br /><br />Dailes are not longer needed for rep, so they are not end game.<br /><br />Chests are part of the fun part of gearing up I mentioned, but they are not end game when they only contain old outdated gear.<br /><br />Scenarios are fun I'll admit, but even when they were brand spanking new they where not end game.<br /><br />The only current end game content doable without much fuss or muss are the celestial and ordos world bosses.<br /><br />Gearing to get up to the end game is fun, I enjoy the gearing process. I enjoy the building professions . I enjoy the grinding rep, even if I do not need it, at my own pace.<br /><br />I do not enjoy the actual end game and like it or not "current content" is the end game. Like I said, no need to shake that mentality when that is a fact. Current content is end game.<br /><br />Current content is what is broken with the game for the non-raider.<br /><br />I did not leave off where I wanted to. I wanted to work on getting more gear for my tanks, I wanted to work on getting more gear for my healers, I wanted to work on getting more gear for other damage dealers. I couldn't because the end game (As in current content) is completely unplayable.<br /><br />So yes, I made my own decision and I am happy with it. But that does not change the fact the game is broken in its current form.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-62690793276168739602013-10-21T13:51:55.147-04:002013-10-21T13:51:55.147-04:00"Unless you are really raiding in an organize..."Unless you are really raiding in an organized group end game is just unplayable."<br /><br />Here's the thing... everything you did was end game, it just wasn't what YOU consider to be end game. Shaking that "if it ain't a progression raid, it ain't end game" mentality is the first thing I wish everyone would do.<br /><br />Dailies are (mostly) ONLY available at end game.<br /><br />Chests can ONLY be opened at end game.<br /><br />Scenarios can ONLY be run at end game.<br /><br />VP can only be earned (with any frequency) at end game.<br /><br />You can run world bosses (and I assume that includes Ordos) at less than 90 but that's still basically an end game activity. Probably won't have access to bonus rolls, though, I suspect that weekly token quest only opens up at 90.<br /><br />I think it's great that you sat your toon when you hit the VP cap... you had a week ender in mind and you stuck to it. Enjoyment > Benefit > Obligation whenever possible and it looks like you got stuck on the Benefit stage once you capped VP... and there's nothing wrong with that.Rnoreply@blogger.com