tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post2462984834756950358..comments2024-03-29T05:19:30.673-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: But Whatever...TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-32021962956615999042013-05-13T23:51:37.988-04:002013-05-13T23:51:37.988-04:00Absolutely. When I play on my small server or my ...Absolutely. When I play on my small server or my big server or my RP server, it is a completely different experience.<br /><br />They play in their closed environment and believe that is how it is or everyone. Sadly, they are mistaken.<br /><br />Maybe he should start playing one again. We would get buffs that way because he would keep saying they are weak. ;)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-56601670312769785282013-05-13T23:48:17.478-04:002013-05-13T23:48:17.478-04:00Just like your post! Just like your post! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-91932609037844320352013-05-13T23:47:49.864-04:002013-05-13T23:47:49.864-04:00Bashiok, is that you?
Seriously, the only person ...Bashiok, is that you?<br /><br />Seriously, the only person that would read that as whiny is someone that was offended by it and the only person that would be offended by that post is the person being called out in it. <br /><br />Yes, you can assign tone if you read everything the person says. If a person is coming off as harsh, that is how you read it. If a person is coming off as condescending, that is how you read it. You can tell if a person is angry, upset, happy, disinterested, or whatever. If you read a lot on the internet you learn to read between the lines. Sarcasm is the only thing that usually slips through the cracks. Otherwise, when following a person, or people, and reading what they say, you get a real feel for the tone they are saying it in.<br /><br />Sure, it might not be as we perceive it but the history of posts does tend to lead itself to a pattern.<br />TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-91164887211141080732013-05-13T23:36:10.251-04:002013-05-13T23:36:10.251-04:00I would really love if they could be traded person...I would really love if they could be traded personally. I disagree with the reasoning, but I can understand it. I don't like it and I will keep asking for the ability to trade them, but at least he answered this question with a real answer. And that is what is more about. Not our feelings on motes.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-25911008631311911382013-05-13T23:34:05.154-04:002013-05-13T23:34:05.154-04:00Then he could have done what his job is, appease t...Then he could have done what his job is, appease the masses. Say something like...<br /><br />"We are aware the double gating has turned off some people but we can not change it mid expansion. The designers have taken note of all the issues people have had with it and hope to never have the same situation happen again and maybe finding a more suitable middle ground."<br /><br />Instead, he just insults people. <br /><br />As I said, this post has nothing to do with the rep and valor issue. It has to do with one seriously inept CM that has no clue how to do his job correctly and treat the people that pay his salary.<br /><br />Even if he was full of shit. Even if they have no intention of not doing it again. Even if he wanted to slap the person upside the head because he was sick and tired of hearing the same old song and dance. He should have just told them what they wanted to hear.<br /><br />There is a difference between a tough answer and sounding like an jerk when you answer. He sounded like an jerk with his.<br /><br />Take your reply for example. <br /><br />Perfect tough answer until the end. If you put a period after "that's a silly argument" but as soon as you added boo hoo to the end you lost all respect anyone could have for your response because it when from a well thought out opinion to sounding like an jerk.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-83234745894887582812013-05-13T23:07:02.381-04:002013-05-13T23:07:02.381-04:00I think the term 'different game' could be...I think the term 'different game' could be very well appropiate, simply because even between regular players there is a world of difference if you <br /><br />a) play on a medium let alone 'dead' Faction/Server vs a High Pop one (in the EU, most MVP's seem to play at the High Pop servers and some CM's have let it slip they play in those same Guilds)<br /><br />b) time of day/ night (WoW at night is whole different beast than playing at peak hours in the weekend, LF's stay put after a wipe for example)<br /><br />c) premade/Guild play vs PuG/solo play<br /><br />People who have to rely on the later have a...different playing experience than if you basically only play with the same people al the time (open door, but considering how they used to push premades in PvP & play in such at the PTR, I'd be surprised if solo play constitutes the majority of their playing time where Instanced content is concerned)<br /><br />I do have bad news however ;P : from a Profile interview on the the Blizz site, bashiok used to play a Hunter in CataNetherLandsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-24314395102597432082013-05-13T22:51:36.239-04:002013-05-13T22:51:36.239-04:00Funny thing is, while I have argued the same in re...Funny thing is, while I have argued the same in regards to Professions, that in my opinion still not justifies why the spirits shouldn't be treated like the Motes from TBC and Wrath ie be tradeable goods.<br /><br />BoA motes, like BoA in general, means that players live in their own little universe (to put it strongly), even cross-Faction. I can see why designers would be against that (though not WoW's as if they wanted Professions to be more relevant, creating evermore Vendor-bought Heirlooms isn't exactly helping)<br /><br />Tradeable motes means that Motes are just another commodity people can interact over - something that incedentally players of Chinese WoW love to be able to do (yet couldn't do with the expac aimed at them and voila) <br /><br />So while I can see how they don't want Motes to be BoA, I find it odd they didn't make them like the other Motes, I have a hard time seeing why it should be bad if player A could craft an item for player B by using Motes brought to him by that player B or a player C.NetherLandsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-9299225386256415582013-05-13T18:09:31.621-04:002013-05-13T18:09:31.621-04:00"What they are trying to get through his thic..."What they are trying to get through his thick and apparently dense head is that they do not want to grind reputation as well as valor."<br /><br />Some times people need tough answers. Right now this is the way the game is designed but just because you don't want to do something doesn't mean that it's going to change or that its open to change. I don't want to drive to the store AND pay money to buy delicious ice cream that's like Paying twice for ice cream because I have to pay money for gas. That's a silly argument and it got slapped down boo hoo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-6268793288717031682013-05-13T17:51:40.752-04:002013-05-13T17:51:40.752-04:00You can't assign tone to written text you are ...You can't assign tone to written text you are just bringing your preconceived feeling forward. They sound more condescending in your head because you want to read it as such just like I read all your post as whiny. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-45829336915208605452013-05-13T12:32:21.878-04:002013-05-13T12:32:21.878-04:00Over all that was not one of this worst posts as f...Over all that was not one of this worst posts as far as content goes. He explained it a lot further than I would have thought he has the capability to do.<br /><br />Having motes be account bound is the #1 thing I want right now in game with a healing black smith that has none and a hunter that can not use them that current has 214 spirits of harmony.<br /><br />I think his force 2 professions on an account this is hyperbole and does not mean anything. Just showing how outrageous that would be.<br /><br />Personally I like my profession stable. I get new gear I can gems it, enchant it, make my leg pattern, my shoulder pattern, my belt buckle, and anything else that might pop up all by myself. I do not need to bother anyone.<br /><br />If anything the only issue I would have with his post is he is thinking too old school. No one used to have alts, that is how it was, but around the end of wrath everyone had 2 or 3. Even the most casual of casual players. The part is might be missing is that the game has changed and perhaps it is time for professions to as well. But at least he didn't just but whatever this person.<br /><br />He also did point out that they might remove the soulbound status, just like they did with orbs before it and various other items. That is the only reason I have not traded in all my spirits for golden lotus to sell, because I am waiting for that day to come.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-60178219639649482442013-05-13T12:23:40.019-04:002013-05-13T12:23:40.019-04:00@ PvP Anon
It is so true, the more you read them ...@ PvP Anon<br /><br />It is so true, the more you read them the more they sound condescending. <br /><br />Not sure why either. They pretend like they are smarter and educating the person but when you read his reply like that one there he is only showing how ignorant he is. He disregarded the question completely. I am sure the poster knew that shado-pan is raid rep. I am sure the poster knew he could upgrade gear. What the poster wanted to know is why he can not buy valor gear but all he got was some jackass that thinks he knows what he is talking about giving him a but whatever.<br /><br />I can see their job as being extremely stressful. I would not want to deal with the people on the forums and I do not envy their job at all. But if you are going to do it, at least try not to be a disrespectful jackass while doing it like Bashiok is.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-31093421251822344242013-05-13T12:21:02.014-04:002013-05-13T12:21:02.014-04:00This is another of Bashiok's latest postings t...This is another of Bashiok's latest postings that makes me very uncomfortable http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8796570575#9.<br /><br />I'd love to read your thoughts in this matter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-36737339373287689072013-05-13T12:19:43.814-04:002013-05-13T12:19:43.814-04:00I understand what you are saying, it could be read...I understand what you are saying, it could be read a different way, but if you follow the tone, his tone, during the course of the post, it was without a doubt meant to be dismissive.<br /><br />Just look at the rest of the comment, it was all dismissive. First part ignores that it is still grinding rep for gear, the last part ignores that the person can still not buy the gear, and that middle but whatever was only placed there as a transition go screw you comment.<br /><br />Like I said, I can see it meaning something different and in most cases that is how I would see it, but this is the world of the internet where you can not hear the tone something is said and can only infer it based on the previous conversation and to me that is why I came to the belief I did, that it was rude.<br /><br />As far as the asked and answered phase, I think we are still in it. It might have been asked 101 times but it has never been answered. As you said, not once did they post anything saying why it is this way and why they think it is a good idea.<br /><br />If they did so, the discussion could go on. But this I am right, you are wrong, but whatever attitude is bad for a CM to have.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-90047951932890259972013-05-13T10:29:34.287-04:002013-05-13T10:29:34.287-04:00Disagree. The "but whatever" bit reads t...Disagree. The "but whatever" bit reads to me as "you are wrong when you complain about dailies, perhaps you don't even know that the latest rep is gained in LFR and not dailies, *but whatever*, I will explain all that to you since that's my job to deal with ignorant fools like yourself, and btw you'd be able to spend valor even without doing LFR with item upgrades - which is obviously something you don't know about either".<br /><br />I am not trolling. I read enough of CMs posts, they almost all reek of this "we'll educate you" angle. Unfortunate choice of words, you say? Keep reading these blues and let's talk again in a year or two.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-33699269865554830062013-05-13T10:08:50.966-04:002013-05-13T10:08:50.966-04:00I'm going to (shockingly) take the other side ...I'm going to (shockingly) take the other side on this post, specifically related to your #3 point, the "But whatever"...<br /><br />The "But whatever" clearly wasn't intended to be dismissive of the original poster, replace "But whatever" in the original response with "That aside" and I believe you'll get the actual intention. He's acknowledging that he nitpicked in the first part by pointing out that SPA rep is from killing bosses, not from grinding, and is signaling his intention to respond to the main issue at that point.<br /><br />And then he sidesteps the point, but that's another issue altogether.<br /><br />(I'm not a linguist, I just play one on the Internet)<br /><br />Poorly phrased? A bit, but I actually like that the CMs don't use corporate-speak when they communicate (party lines, sure, but at least they generally speak in normal language, even in official posts).<br /><br />I find it helpful to recognize that Blizzard believes double gating is reasonable and read their responses from that perspective. I don't AGREE with that stance, to be clear (I liked the Firelands system of raid-only rep gear being purchased with gold), but I understand that they believe it. I just wish they'd finally come out with some sort of dev blog post on the subject to clear the air, don't think I've ever seen a "this is why we think it's a good idea" post and one is long overdue. Sidestepping the thousandth double gating complaint of the week serves as little purpose as the thousandth complaint itself. We're well past the "Asked and answered" phase of the double gating discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-36716322507596528332013-05-13T09:23:14.525-04:002013-05-13T09:23:14.525-04:00He will, that is the way it works. Kiss the bosse...He will, that is the way it works. Kiss the bosses ass or you are fired. <br /><br />Can't say I blame them in a way, they are just doing their job and if they are told they can not go against anything that is company design they shouldn't. <br /><br />As long as they keep their cool and do not become trolls like Bashiok it is all good. You kind of expect him or anyone to be a company man. It is all about how you treat people while being so.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-85256564550406055982013-05-13T09:21:20.826-04:002013-05-13T09:21:20.826-04:00GC is not much better. He is rarely as rude as Ba...GC is not much better. He is rarely as rude as Bashiok, that is true. And I have seen him actually listen to people a few times and even more amazingly he has changed his mind when presenting with solid information so some credit is due. But I often get the same feeling from him as I do from everyone else on the team. <br /><br />What game are they playing?<br /><br />I swear it seems 99 out of 100 times their answers seem like they are talking about a completely different game.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-70006312457962825082013-05-13T09:19:30.751-04:002013-05-13T09:19:30.751-04:00Thank you. :)Thank you. :)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-36339741930108042032013-05-13T09:19:20.520-04:002013-05-13T09:19:20.520-04:00I happen to be one of those people that did plan a...I happen to be one of those people that did plan ahead. I like that stuff. However, everyone is not me.<br /><br />But do I say, but whatever? No.<br /><br />I say it sucks. It sucks for people that do not want to do it. Do not have the time to do it. Do not have the skill to do it. It can be annoying as hell and is too complicated for many.<br /><br />This is a game, why not just let people play it and not have to make a three week schedule to play it. I agree with you.<br /><br />But Bashiok doesn't and he sure as hell would tell you a few choice words if you pointed it out to him.<br /><br />It does sound like he is acting like a child that did not get his way. I am taking my ball and going home. Not a good way to represent a company.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-79247555450100935522013-05-13T09:15:49.283-04:002013-05-13T09:15:49.283-04:00I've lets out a few words about him before. I...I've lets out a few words about him before. I could call him one hundred and one names and it would still not do him any justice on how low my opinion is of him.<br /><br />The person does not play the game, and if they do, they do so in such a closed in community with only people they know because they seem to be clueless about everything.<br /><br />I really have to wonder how he, and others like him, keep their jobs. If someone from my company started in with some of the shit he has said to my customers I would fire him in a heartbeat.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37513824025310574752013-05-13T09:13:35.015-04:002013-05-13T09:13:35.015-04:00I was never a fan of the CRZ from the start. Stil...I was never a fan of the CRZ from the start. Still am not. Although I will admit they have fixed many of the technical issues I had with it, it still has not fixed the problem of if I want to be on a small server, let me be on a small server.<br /><br />You had a line there I would love to see repeated over and over and over on the forum until someone with a brain reads it.<br /><br />"You lose all the advantages of a low pop server (less competition for resources, rares etc.) and get none of the advantages of a bigger server (more active population, more guilds, thriving economy)"<br /><br />It is a lose/lose situation for small servers. Nailed it.<br /><br />If they took half as much time actually listening to people as they do insulting them, perhaps they would notice there are problems and it is not always a case of people being whiny kids.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-17362546284750615182013-05-13T07:47:58.962-04:002013-05-13T07:47:58.962-04:00Josh "Lore" Allen is joining the CM team...Josh "Lore" Allen is joining the CM team in a month. I hope he doesn't get dragged down to "corporate mouth-piece" like the others, but it's probably inevitable.Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-84332110449184133042013-05-13T01:09:15.538-04:002013-05-13T01:09:15.538-04:00It's simple, really.
NEVER talk to CMs or tak...It's simple, really.<br /><br />NEVER talk to CMs or take them seriously. They might be good guys but they invariably fall into defending the company from the community, which is an idiotic misinterpretation of their role. Their reaction to anything - anything! - is to try and show that the inquirer does not have a full story, that things aren't quite so black and white and all that jazz. They are basically trolling without realizing it. I don't know whether this is because the job is so harsh, it makes everyone a troll, or because the job is so bad, everyone who isn't a troll quits. I don't know and I don't care. What's important is that CMs do not try to understand you, they try to find holes or incompleteness or biases in your posts. They do not do the thinking. They can't answer you, really. They can merely reply with whatever seems relevant = whatever you could have googled in 5 minutes.<br /><br />Talk to the developers (Ghostcrawler, Holinka, one or two others). They are the ones doing the thinking. Yes, sometimes they seem cocky and rude and everything else. But they do the thinking. You CAN get through to them, you can make them see your point. You can get a reasonable reply from them. There's no guarantee you will like it - I don't like how they prioritize their development, for example - but you will at least have a discussion, you know, with arguments.<br /><br />But CMs - they are a waste of time.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-88746559823653421422013-05-12T19:56:29.368-04:002013-05-12T19:56:29.368-04:00Can I get an AMEN!
Good post.Can I get an AMEN!<br />Good post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-6071339803536112852013-05-12T18:48:27.441-04:002013-05-12T18:48:27.441-04:00Just plain rude. It's like talking to a teenag...Just plain rude. It's like talking to a teenager, that sort of commentary is not acceptable when speaking with customers. I don't know who this Bashiok person is, but his language sounds like a petulant teenager, and language/attitude I wouldn't let my teenager get away with. I'm assuming however that his calendar age indicates he should be beyond this phase.<br /><br />It still doesn't address the fact that I acquire VP faster than I can even do the rep grinds. I have a shaman unable to spend her 2800 VP until at least 2 more weeks of rep grinding. Which means she'll valor cap and be unable to get the rep without going over 3000. Unless she wastes VP on a 289 to replace a 283 before he can gain enough rep to buy the 522. Which is another beef, why the reduction to 3k VP max instead of 4k?<br /><br />Is the answer, "You should have planned ahead and calculated out the VP per quest/run you'll need to get enough rep to spend your VP and not done that last LFR that didn't earn you rep?" That's BS, I shouldn't need a three week future projection of my VP gains to be able to spend it appropriately.Tiessahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03457953872797884709noreply@blogger.com