tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post1644268705098716560..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: I Miss Accountability TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-18675188551433311192012-12-18T17:51:36.625-05:002012-12-18T17:51:36.625-05:00Hahaha. I love your post, even if I think you'...Hahaha. I love your post, even if I think you're an ass.<br /><br />"You never saw Nintendo nerf Super Mario Bros. did you? No because you DONT DESERVE TO WIN IF YOU CANNOT WIN."<br /><br />So true.<br />MathewGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02490938657354510847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-1278427879730357352012-12-17T13:07:45.742-05:002012-12-17T13:07:45.742-05:00you didn't press "1" at the beginnin...you didn't press "1" at the beginning of the raid, did you. :D-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-77853572563976640792012-12-17T06:44:36.486-05:002012-12-17T06:44:36.486-05:00A flagging system would be nice as the other guy s...A flagging system would be nice as the other guy said.<br /><br />One of the servers I am on in an english one but when I do random content I am always in groups with people that speak spanish and am usually the only one that speaks english in it. It can be frustrating sometimes. Not sure why my english speaking realm always seems to get randomed with all spanish only realms. <br /><br />I guess, to them, I would be the one getting flagged. What they need to to is fix the system to only group servers together that should be together.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-38234714144688743752012-12-17T06:42:14.438-05:002012-12-17T06:42:14.438-05:00While I do agree with what you have said mostly I ...While I do agree with what you have said mostly I think you are being harsh to people that ask what to do even months after it is out.<br /><br />Give them some credit. They don't know and they would rather be told then be one of the people that doesn't know. Some credit where it is due. I would rather someone that is new, just hit 90, and willing to try ask for assistance than to screw up because they do not care and were just looking to be carried. My opinion at least.<br /><br />They need to add a special penalty to people who fake their roles. I run on my alts as healers, being I heal on them of course, and I can not tell you how many fights I've had to three heal because DPS queue as healers just for the quick queue and then do not even attempt to heal. Some fights it can be done but other fights, I am sorry, it can not be done even in the LFR. Just not possible. Perhaps if it were three healers in all full heroic gear they could three heal it, but you will get LFR geared people in the LFR most likely.<br /><br />So I agree, some sort of flag system needs to be added. Something, anything, to bring some accountability to the table.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-22508329495490335182012-12-17T06:33:30.395-05:002012-12-17T06:33:30.395-05:00I disagree that LFR and LFD are just training whee...I disagree that LFR and LFD are just training wheels. I do believe that is what they were intended to be but they do not teach people anything and they can't.<br /><br />If they made them hard enough to teach people it would be a wipe fest. Look at the third boss in HoF, with crush every time someone went in blue. Had to be nerfed or it would never get done in the LFR and while it could be annoying being there are some strange movements sometimes it is something that could be learned. Not in LFR. I was loving the idea that LFR would be a stepping stone but soon realized I was wrong, it will not and can never be that.<br /><br />A guild is also not the magic answer everyone likes to think it is. I was in a guild and still needed to work trade to get groups. A guild did not magically mean there was always a tank and healer and three DPS online that wanted to run. Even when there were people in guild we usually needed to get someone from trade. Everyone that ever said "if you don't like it get a guild" is delusional if they thought that was the answer to everything. Some guild with people on the same schedule as you did you might be able to get lucky with. But in the end, it required people to interact and being everyone spread the word, it required them not to act like jerks or they would never run again. Accountability was a good thing.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-15576979251134989452012-12-17T06:26:40.025-05:002012-12-17T06:26:40.025-05:00I am an adult with a family, friends and an 11 hou...I am an adult with a family, friends and an 11 hour a day work schedule and still found time to make in game connections.<br /><br />No, it was not easy and I said so. No, it was not fun and I said so. But it made for a much better community.<br /><br />I can see for some how it would be harder, much harder. If you only played on weekends only it would be horrible.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-44321708254413800412012-12-15T21:38:19.369-05:002012-12-15T21:38:19.369-05:00I like the idea of consequence to bad or sub-par p...I like the idea of consequence to bad or sub-par performance. Are you on an english realm? At least speak english to some extent... Are you underperforming by default? Get flagged...<br />More then lets say 100 flags and you cant queue in LF anymore.<br />Every encounter can get you one flag (so a 5man that are discontent can only flag you once)<br />Redeem flags by successfuly contribute to killing all of the bosses in one encounter.<br />Flags would also need to be invisible untill the limit is reached, otherwise alearning player might get excluded from dungeons or raid solely because made some mistakes learnin the tools of the trade.<br /><br />All in all, hell yeah for accountability!!<br />Bowmonster, bloodelf hunter, wildhammer (EU)<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-17906420519969831652012-12-15T20:14:13.801-05:002012-12-15T20:14:13.801-05:00Wrong.
LF system is NOT training wheels. What the ...Wrong.<br />LF system is NOT training wheels. What the fuck were you doing the previous 90 levels? Oh right, riding the world of welfarecraft train with the rest of the "bads".<br />Honestly they way you seem to pine over the system, seems to me like thats the ONLY content you see. I could be wrong, but thats a safe assumption given your inherent ignorance to the author of the articles' point; LFR does nothing but allow people with NO RIGHT to be in a raid, to raid and for people who are total shit at this particular video game to once again have accountability to their ineptitude. You never saw Nintendo nerf Super Mario Bros. did you? No because you DONT DESERVE TO WIN IF YOU CANNOT WIN.<br />I for one like LFR because I run it with friends and we kick anyone and everyone that's total shit or the first person to ask "how do we do this fight?" after it being out for months.<br />My one and only suggestion to blizz regarding LFR accountability was not only have the vote to kick system, but also a "black flag" type of system. Did that person just die on every pull? Right click, flag. Now one flag, heck, even 10 flags prob wont do anything as the internet community is now dominated by the pleebs who are generally of low intelligence so it would be abused. But say after 50 flags, they get 'looked at' and upon inspection you see that this player has 50 flags from 50 different strangers in LFR; were they just a total asshole the entire time every time? Were they SO inept they caused wipes or are they playing a pivotal role (tank/heals) and have ZERO clue what theyre doing? Are they super geared and not contributing? etc etc.<br />This imho would allow the community being slighted against by the incompetent/lazy/stupid to actually force people to be responsible again.<br />Then again, this would require blizzard doing something and I doubt they would. Laziest fucks out there.Functional Idiothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10647380548286401870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-41230233361489906652012-12-15T16:32:20.472-05:002012-12-15T16:32:20.472-05:00I don't know why everyone assumes a Guild is w...I don't know why everyone assumes a Guild is what it was back in the day. I am in a antisocial guild with most of my characters. Meaning no one in there ever speaks on guild chat or responds to any requests, we are in the guild because its perks are as close to mandatory as things get so for people like me it is LF or nothing at all.DVLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02347520545095018932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-22973682810064308502012-12-15T13:02:30.596-05:002012-12-15T13:02:30.596-05:00Bristal- well said:) There seems to be a lot of wa...Bristal- well said:) There seems to be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth about something that is really optional, if you feel that doing LFR/LFD is not a good use of your time/stressful ect ect, then, don't do it. <br /><br />Honestly, being in an LFR where somebody is constantly complaining about everyone else is just as annoying as somebody standing in the bad, if the bosses are going down, and I am getting my magical gold bag, then I do not care about XXXhuntercritshotxxx's dps or ability to not stand in fire.<br /><br />LFR and LFD is basically wow training wheels, if you don't want to be possibly grouped with people who need those training wheels, then maybe you should just run with your guild, or find some other "non bads" in trade. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-3598512060548002842012-12-14T23:46:29.484-05:002012-12-14T23:46:29.484-05:00Yeah, you could make a name for yourself if you co...Yeah, you could make a name for yourself if you could play for uninterrupted hours most nights of the week and eventually get a decent friends list or a great guild that was both nice and raided competently without having to bring the GM's granny or 10 year old brother. OR that didn't expect you to raid 3 nights a week.<br /><br />But try working the /trade crowd on an adult's schedule. And accountability? I have been treated far, far worse in /trade PuGs than any raid or dungeon finder. <br /><br />Despite your rose colored glasses, those days were bad for the vast majority of us. And LFR is only for the lowest tier of raids. You are free to continue to work your social magic on the regular tier.Bristalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11849907713604626977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-82979122315650006482012-12-14T22:26:18.791-05:002012-12-14T22:26:18.791-05:00I don't truly believe there is much blizzard c...I don't truly believe there is much blizzard can do. They can fine tune a few things but anything they do now will be viewed as a step backwards.<br /><br />They could make the LFR your realm only. But people would complain if they are on a small server on an underpopulated side or play on off hours. <br /><br />They could make 10 man LFRs but people would complain because the only people doing randoms and not full or near full groups would be the really bad players that need us to get through them.<br /><br />They could make the LFR even easier but that would inspire even more slackers. They could make it harder but that would inspire more people insulting each other.<br /><br />They could make the LFR a one boss at a time thing and let people pick and choose the ones they want and still get valor but then only the fights with popular items or super easy mechanics would ever get done by people.<br /><br />There is a hell of a lot they can do but nothing would ever be perfect and nothing can ever return the sense of community. What is that old saying, you can never really go home? Well, that is what this is. You can never really rebuild the community, unless you plan to rip it apart to repair it, and their stock holders would never allow that, they are a business after all.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-35007474591539362862012-12-14T22:01:45.833-05:002012-12-14T22:01:45.833-05:00I played in vanilla for a bit. Lvl'd a rogue ...I played in vanilla for a bit. Lvl'd a rogue to 45 before getting bored with the grind. But during that time, I think I only did a hand full of dungeons. Finding a group was a near impossible task if you didn't know anyone.<br /><br />Then I came back towards the end of wrath to short queues for super easy wrath heroics.<br /><br />Very different experience. The dungeons were easy enough that accountability wasn't a big deal.<br /><br />Then Cata heroics came out and were clearly not tuned for random pugs. They even gave full guild groups trouble at the very beginning. I quit doing heroics until HoTs came out which were better tuned for random pugs. Cata Heroics and ZA/ZG were just too time consuming even if you had a good group.<br /><br />Then we had DS LFR which was relatively easy but could still be problematic on weekends or towards the end when raiders stopped doing lfr.<br /><br />MoP heroics seem ok for random pugs but I didn't do too many, just enough to get into LFR, and often it was a guild group.<br /><br />LFR this time is too hard for random pugs, imo. Random pugs got worse and LFR got harder... That's why they had to change the queue system to not show the progress; too many groups were failing and falling apart. I'm sure too many people used to afking in DS LFR while a few people did everything didn't help either.<br /><br />I'm not sure how Blizz can restore a sense of accountability though.<br /><br />25man lfr leaves too much room for slackers but 10man lfr would have horrible failure rates unless it was super easy.<br /><br />I think Blizz could better educate players when they are doing bad though. For example, integrate some Recount-like functionalities into the game but more importantly tell the players if they are doing too little dps on an encounter for their gear level or taking too much damage from standing in shit. They could consider giving bonus rewards for people who perform well; they'd have to figure out how to balance that though so it couldn't be exploited.<br /><br />Proving Grounds would help too; force people to complete the Proving Grounds before they can use the "looking for" system or something like that. At least they'd have some basic knowledge before getting put into a group.Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-55394959230914118922012-12-14T16:04:22.516-05:002012-12-14T16:04:22.516-05:00I have yet to run one challenge mode as I can'...I have yet to run one challenge mode as I can't get anyone on my server that is interested in them and only 2 people in my guild that are.<br /><br />As you said, not enough carrot for most people. The only carrot is for ego trip reasons and when you have people that are not into bragging that is not enough to get them into them.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-30471483296251685952012-12-14T13:37:05.917-05:002012-12-14T13:37:05.917-05:00Well, challenge mode dungeons are attempt to retur...Well, challenge mode dungeons are attempt to return those days, with looking in trade chat and all.<br /><br />Though obviously they don't have enough "carrot" in them for mass appeal to truly bring people together like in old days.Shalckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04929708411856414654noreply@blogger.com