tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post1265459092366600768..comments2024-03-29T05:19:30.673-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Can Bob Come Out and Play Now?TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-49696507831548225572013-09-19T15:02:44.462-04:002013-09-19T15:02:44.462-04:00Same for me. First run through flex last week I g...Same for me. First run through flex last week I got 3 pieces on 4 bosses including bow and trinket, no coins. Nothing else since and nothing from LFR. Did not do normal on my hunter. <br /><br />But I liked flex because I can tell you I have never got a weapon this early in a patch since ulduar when (if I remember correctly) one fell off trash on the way to the furnace master.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-47142451578900880532013-09-19T14:58:54.964-04:002013-09-19T14:58:54.964-04:00Of course I can not speak for anyone else, but whe...Of course I can not speak for anyone else, but when I tanked normal last week I was doing around 100K. So I would say, if tanks can be expected to push 100K for normals, as I did, then 150K would be the minimum I would expect for someone starting SoO normal. Anyone with all ToT normal gear shouldn't really have any problem reaching that number.<br /><br />With that said, flex seems to be 80% normal, so I would say 120K for flex would make it doable. Not easy, but doable. Just an opinion.<br /><br />To give an idea of normal DPS requirements, when I was tanking last week our average DPS in normal was around 200K, they had little to no problem with the first 2 bosses but even getting DPS cleansed ASAP they could not do the third boss, they needed more DPS. We wiped to enrage more than a few times.<br /><br />So yes, normal is considerably more required. At least after the first two.<br /><br />@Delirium<br /><br />I am like that too, it is just the hunter in us. I always say as far back as I can even when stacked.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-22205003789750092562013-09-19T13:06:25.105-04:002013-09-19T13:06:25.105-04:00Ha! Stacking in the Sha encounter was really hard...Ha! Stacking in the Sha encounter was really hard for me, as a hunter (I don't know what it was about Sha, it was easy in the certain phases of protectors). I'll do it, but I stand as close to the back of the group as you possibly can and still be considered "stacked". I don't know why i can't get out of that min-range mentality. <br /><br />And here I was hoping no one would notice...<br /><br />~DeliriumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-63255324068442940222013-09-19T13:00:37.286-04:002013-09-19T13:00:37.286-04:00On reconsideration, perhaps the real reason I'...On reconsideration, perhaps the real reason I'm so happy with Flex Raiding, is because for some reason I've been incredibly lucky so far. Last week I snagged the CD trinket, so I had that going into my first normal raid. And this week I got that crossbow to drop. Sure they're only flex gear, but it makes normals that much easier. I've never been this lucky in my whole wow experience, even with LFR gear. Last tier I was the very last person of my 25 man raid to get a weapon. So either they upped the drop rate in flex, or my luck has changed and this is gonna be a great tier. :)<br /><br />~DeliriumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-41776637494147208832013-09-19T12:53:24.246-04:002013-09-19T12:53:24.246-04:00Agreed with everything you said and the comment ab...Agreed with everything you said and the comment above. There are raids that will never go into Flex, it's bleow their level. There are raid groups who'll run Flex a few times for practice &/or gear and will move past it soon. There are raids that will do flex and normal together indefinitely, learning fights on flex and then progressing on the same boss in normal. There are raids, like the one I'm still considering putting together and like I suggested for your 25-man group, that will use flex as progression raiding and if/when we finish it off, we'll consider doing normals only at that point. There are raids that will only EVER do flex, it will be their 9/14 tier once they stop raiding.<br /><br />I love flex. It isn't perfect in that there is still benefit to "optimizing" (ie. leaving the Bobs at home) but it's a benefit, not a requirement, and with the right conditions it can be overcome as it appears you've managed to. I love that story. There is a potential for negativity, though, the recent post by Bravetank speaks to this and I felt bad as I read it. Might be a bit different when bringing Bobs is planned, though, vs just being fill-in bodies who'll do more than zero.<br /><br />Has anyone seen/heard any general indicators or discussions on what average dps is required for a normal comp in flex? I'm finding that groups doing less than 120K or so on average are having a significantly harder time than those doing more than that, and 120K is more than I thought we'd need heading in, I thought 100K or so would be closer to the requirement but that seems to lead to significant struggle.<br /><br />One example, Sha of Pride, mostly a guild group (competent), took 5 attempts to get it after taking almost 2 hours on Norushen (but the Norushen logs are messed up since I went inside), here are the numbers for the Sha kill shot:<br /><br />DPS: 128K average (3 over 150K, only 1 significantly under 100K).<br /><br />There were mechanic issues on that fight (apparently prisons are hard and stacking continues to be a challenge even now... yo, hunter, you lost minimum range a long time ago) but I still expected to have an easier time than we did. 120K feels like more of a normal dps requirement but if that's typical for flex, I'm assuming normal is tuned quite a bit higher than that. I haven't done normal yet, though, so I can't speak to even the early bosses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-81136682232257409252013-09-19T11:22:47.180-04:002013-09-19T11:22:47.180-04:00I liked running flex first too, it made normals ea...I liked running flex first too, it made normals easier. We did not get the 3rd boss down last week because I was tanking on my monk who is a tiny bit under geared and I am a tiny bit under skilled with it. But having done flex made the first two bosses a joke.<br /><br />Because all the mechanics are there that means there is nothing new to learn between flex and normal. All there is between the two is doing better.<br /><br />So if you can do flex, you can do normal, as long as you meet the minimum requirements required of your tanks, healers and damage dealers.<br /><br />It makes it the perfect place to practice.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-90252830658618062102013-09-19T11:19:31.121-04:002013-09-19T11:19:31.121-04:00Now it is can we flex it. ;)Now it is can we flex it. ;)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-88870415523240474192013-09-19T11:09:58.778-04:002013-09-19T11:09:58.778-04:00I think Flex feels a lot like doing the previous t...I think Flex feels a lot like doing the previous tier's raids. A lot of things that would've one-shot a few players and caused a wipe, well now they two shot, which means your healers can compensate if you have good healers, or you can just have a little bit of extra time to do the mechanic. <br /><br />You still have to do the mechanics, and I'm very glad for that. I think that's a lot of what makes it fun. If you're with a casual group of friends and want to do flex, you're still accomplishing something. <br /><br />I also like the practice aspect of it. My 25n raid is on the weekends. If we can get most of the people through flex, where the mechanics are a bit more, well, flexible, it makes progression in normal much smoother. And I like that I can bring in my druid, even though I'm really not that good of a healer. Maybe now that I have a chance other than LFR to practice, I'll become decent. <br /><br />~Delirium<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-66899904907805046042013-09-19T10:36:57.197-04:002013-09-19T10:36:57.197-04:00Can we fix it? Yes we canCan we fix it? Yes we canBobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15475673092257340904noreply@blogger.com