tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post9047257352017220268..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Would You Buy Something You Know is a Dupe?TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-59993393741787815792015-05-06T11:41:26.348-04:002015-05-06T11:41:26.348-04:00There was a bug I encountered at the beginning of ...There was a bug I encountered at the beginning of cataclysm, reported it, and to my knowledge, it is still there. <br /><br />Makes me wonder if they leave it there until it becomes a problem hoping that it never will instead of just fixing it when it pops up before it becomes an issue.<br /><br />So I agree, blizzard themselves are in part to blame. For not handling the duper and not fixing the problems that make duping possible, even with years and years of the knowledge that it is there.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-5129325447010733062015-05-06T11:36:55.108-04:002015-05-06T11:36:55.108-04:00I have never bought anything I suspected something...I have never bought anything I suspected something of to resell, I am too much afraid to do that. I would not want to lose my account so I take no chances. Buying on the AH does not seem like a risk, but reselling could be. So I stay far away from that personally. However I have never heard of someone being banned for flipping items on the AH so it is probably perfectly fine.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-69626113203064089942015-05-06T11:27:01.735-04:002015-05-06T11:27:01.735-04:00If you don't follow the markets you would neve...If you don't follow the markets you would never notice it. I notice it because I am always looking for deals. I do not buy and resell, can't be bothered, hit gold cap a long time ago without being a AH goblin, easy enough to make gold otherwise, but I am always on the lookout for a good deal.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-9643761903848702592015-05-06T11:24:20.530-04:002015-05-06T11:24:20.530-04:00I made my millions the same way, earned it. Sucks...I made my millions the same way, earned it. Sucks when someone can go and dupe something and have more money than I do in a matter of minutes. Seems unfair.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-44227987439443409452015-05-06T11:23:13.963-04:002015-05-06T11:23:13.963-04:00I forgot to mention that. I too would never buy t...I forgot to mention that. I too would never buy to resell something like that. I would only buy one for myself, or maybe as far as to give a gift to a friend. But I would not buy to resell. I do not want to make profit off of it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-59726364310815766792015-05-06T11:22:17.066-04:002015-05-06T11:22:17.066-04:00I've sold stuff on fire sale before myself jus...I've sold stuff on fire sale before myself just to make bag space. But I think the bracers were an error. Missed a 0 most likely. Fire sale is if something is selling for 40 gold a stack you sell it for 30, not 4. 4 is a mistake. At least that is how I saw the bracer thing.<br /><br />Blizzard will ban them, but not once in the history of the game has blizzard ever banned someone for buying the duped item. Only removed it. <br /><br />So no, never dupe. It is against the rules. But do not be afraid to buy something. The worst that could happen is you lose the item and your gold.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-8517394957231039042015-05-06T01:01:02.013-04:002015-05-06T01:01:02.013-04:00I would buy a duped item off the auction house bec...I would buy a duped item off the auction house because in that case I've covered my rear. <br /><br />I won't buy a duped item just doing a trade with someone because I have heard to many stories similar to your friends where they both loose out on the item and their gold.<br /><br />I personally think both are fair game because it is Blizzard that is refusing to either ban the people duping the items or to fix the bug that enables those people to dupe the item in the first place. <br /><br />The worst part about it is that Blizzard knows this kind of thing goes on and instead of doing the right thing, banning and fixing, they will instead screw over people like your friend. <br /><br />People with absolutely no recourse for banning, fixing, or getting their stuff back while the duping continues unabated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-77578291363872900282015-05-05T21:26:51.797-04:002015-05-05T21:26:51.797-04:00I've probably bought a couple of different mou...I've probably bought a couple of different mounts that may have been duped either off the AH or from trade (e.g., Jeweled Onyx Panther, Crimson Deathcharger), but I'm only ever buying one of them and never reselling them.<br /><br />The AH is definitely the safer route though and I tend to ignore trade, so I haven't bought anything off trade in a very long time.<br /><br />I would never buy large quantities of stuff from trade chat, but I snag really cheap things off the AH all the time either to use or flip.Jaegerhttps://twitter.com/makosdvnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-63522517558464497652015-05-05T17:14:58.767-04:002015-05-05T17:14:58.767-04:00The only time I think about duping is when I see y...The only time I think about duping is when I see you post about it. I think it's because I rarely buy anything on the AH and I have trade channel shunted off to another tab that I never look at. Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-81567613286961203622015-05-05T14:31:35.546-04:002015-05-05T14:31:35.546-04:00In MoP, with on of the crafting leather daily item...In MoP, with on of the crafting leather daily items, I accidentally sold full stacks of them, instead individual leathers. And put the price as though I was selling them individually. They were bought within a few minutes (I think I noticed when I was done listing stuff on the AH, and I ran to the mailbox to pick up the items I had bought, which opened my bags...). Most reasonable players would have thought that those must have been duped items, as they were in fairly high demand at the time. So I think a lot of things that we think are dupes are actually idiots like me. :-P <br /><br />However, the completely arbitrary line I've decided not to cross, is I'm fine with buying items I suspect were duped, as long as I'm using them for crafting, not for reselling. For some reason I don't feel good making gold off of dupes, but I'm fine with having easier attained gear. <br /><br />Oddly enough, I don't generally care about server markets. I kind of like the idea of ruining everyone's gold making opportunities, as I think most people (myself included) sell items for ridiculous prices. So it's weird that I don't want to buy cheap duped items and resell them for profit... I have a very confusing moral system. Deliriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576124406751861955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37983047168766828722015-05-05T12:48:21.583-04:002015-05-05T12:48:21.583-04:00Totally agree that Blizzard needs to improve this ...Totally agree that Blizzard needs to improve this situation. As someone who made a million gold the fair way, I hate seeing dupers bark their mounts in trade.JC Swayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580720277068633415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-11870543323011143112015-05-05T12:37:29.244-04:002015-05-05T12:37:29.244-04:00As you stated, I would trust the AH vs the one-to-...As you stated, I would trust the AH vs the one-to-one (back alley) deals. When the seller is after a fast buck, it makes me think that their account has been hacked and a gold farmer is simply trying to clear the account before the account owner logs back on again and see's their character standing their naked. The AH (IMHO) would be too slow for this. Even the short timer of 12hrs could be long enough for someone to cancel all the auctions. <br /><br />Personally, I've had items that were previously selling for $$$ gold, but after dozens of times reposting the darn thing, I started lowering the price until someone finally bought it. The situation with your bracers could be simply 'I've spent enough gold trying to sell this to pay for it outright.. Time for a fire sale.." <br /><br />As for 'dupeing' items, like found a bug and now can create items out of nothing. Dangerous game. <a href="http://www.gamespot.com/articles/wow-guild-banned/1100-6160983/" rel="nofollow">Blizzard</a> has banned entire guilds for doing things like this and if they can make a good example out of you... Elkagorasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868176919786509891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-30695060640376525162015-05-05T12:20:48.992-04:002015-05-05T12:20:48.992-04:00I can understand that reasoning. I made my own je...I can understand that reasoning. I made my own jeweled panther back in mists when it was selling for less than the cost of materials on the AH. It was only a little less, but still less. I decided to make my own because it felt safer. However, it if were a lot less, I would have bought it. My standpoint is, even if I believe it is duped, as long as I buy it from the AH anyone had the option to buy it. So I just got a good deal. If blizzard did not want me buying it they could have fixed the crafting dupe that has been in the game for years. It is still in game. But do they do anything? No. It is not my job to police their game.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-59171478147623567522015-05-05T12:18:33.776-04:002015-05-05T12:18:33.776-04:00Blizzard, it seems, does like to use blanket decis...Blizzard, it seems, does like to use blanket decisions. I agree with what you said that the "you should have known better" is not the greatest or always correct answer, but it seems to be the line blizzard chooses to walk.<br /><br />You are right however. Someone buying one of something "might" not get noticed, but buy 10 of those panther mounts in a face to face and you can be certain you will be caught.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-46864709820134925302015-05-05T12:06:06.462-04:002015-05-05T12:06:06.462-04:00Nope. I even avoid things I'm only pretty sure...Nope. I even avoid things I'm only pretty sure are duped for two reasons. One, it's not worth the risk. Two, cheating defeats the point of playing a game. I don't personally see any difference between duping myself and getting a Jeweled Panther for 10k.JC Swayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580720277068633415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-40717882473014281482015-05-05T12:04:06.078-04:002015-05-05T12:04:06.078-04:00Let me provide the simple answers, which are akin ...Let me provide the simple answers, which are akin to yours. If it was on the auction house, I would consider it fair game. If it was a direct trade, I would avoid it like the plague.<br /><br />1) Auction House - It is my, admittedly unsubstantiated, understanding from general game exposure and reading things over the years, that the auction house has functions in place to prevent the selling of duplicated items. This may not be true. It may be true and not full proof. Lets assume that it has no controls in place at all, the worst case scenario from a buyer's perspective and potentially the weakest position should Blizzard object. Your reasoning stands. People make mistakes all the time, hit tab at the wrong time and what was supposed to be 10,000 gold price was in actuality, 10 gold. Yes this did happen to me. I realized it immediately then went to cancel the auction to see it sold before I could click the button. Ooops. Mistakes do happen and I do not begrudge the purchaser for jumping at the mistake. The buyer has a case for plausible deniability.<br /><br />2) Direct Trade. I do not believe Blizzard's argument holds water. For instance, I can see someone return the game after being away for years and want to clear out some bag space and fund their new adventures in WoD. Oooh this Haunted Memento, lets just get rid of it "/2 Anyone want Haunted Memento for 100 gold?" I see this just as mistyping the auction house value. I could extend this rational to individual items like the mount. Someone made the gem mount in MoP and just wants to liquidate to get 20k to fund their Garrison building and didn't want to wait and haggle.<br /><br />Blizzard's argument, imho, begins to gain weight when you are dealing with volume. When people start moving volume of current expansion valuable items, that ought to send red flags. I think the age of the items matters as well, since it is reasonable to expect someone to be much more familiar with current expansion products, and reasonable to have older past expansion products be unknown to the buyer or seller.<br /><br />I think Blizzard doesn't want to parse the debate so closely, and like any corporation, makes a blanket policy to settle the matter and keeps trucking along with minimal cost-time investment to address the issue.Thuggsnoreply@blogger.com