tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post7908612329851060575..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Cataclysm Miscues: VII: StatsTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-4605433970196319692012-02-17T07:41:32.240-05:002012-02-17T07:41:32.240-05:00I fail at proofreading. This sentence:
consider th...I fail at proofreading. This sentence:<br />consider the fact TBC starting gear is much closer in power<br /><br />Is obviously missing the end which is:<br />...to MC gear than to Naxx gear.Imakulatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18327043103775428011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-71156618513535686212012-02-17T07:37:40.476-05:002012-02-17T07:37:40.476-05:00I don't know what method did you use to come u...I don't know what method did you use to come up with the values but they are way different from those I found - even for Cataclysm, which follows 1 primary + 2 secondary stat model for most of its items and (obviously) didn't have the items changed when new expansions were introduced (especially Cata changed the item model a lot by removing spell power etc.). For reference, I checked the weapons, the increase in weapon stats in Cata raids is only about 60%; Cata leveling has about 120%. To put the 120% in perspective, TBC (after the Cata changes were applied, I realized too late I didn't check a historical DB) has a bit less than 100% but there was less inflation in Vanilla raids and starting weapons were much worse than Naxx ones - Cata starting weapons are worse than HC ICC but by a smaller margin.<br /><br />So I believe I was right; the power increase from level 79 to level 85 is made of 3 components:<br />1) power increase of 120% in Cata leveling zones and dungeons (i. e. Vashjir/MH -> T11 normal gear); this seems to be quite large but TBC (Hellfire -> Kara) had about 100% too<br />2) power inflation in Wrath raids (the stat gain is often up to 300%, Cata has about 60% which seems to be more than TBC and Vanilla but really doesn't even compare to Wrath)<br />3) lack of the counter-component, i. e. the Cata starting gear was only marginally worse than Wrath's best raid gear; consider the fact TBC starting gear is much closer in power<br /><br />I have to admit that the inflation in leveling zones was higher in Cata than in any other expansion; however there are two things you didn't consider at all:<br />1) As I said, the Wrath raid power inflation was huge. Cataclysm raids seem to be a bit larger than the other two expansions but not even comparable with Wrath.<br />2) I guess neither of us realized how big the inflation was in Vanilla and TBC. Persuader (ilvl 63 - early MC) to Kingsfall (ilvl 89 - Naxx) is about 60% increase. TBC leveling had about 100% increase too.Imakulatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18327043103775428011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-30198824434482512912012-02-15T08:22:05.385-05:002012-02-15T08:22:05.385-05:00During the playtest, I remember they raised the he...During the playtest, I remember they raised the health pools of mobs from end-level Wrath health pools to beginning-level cata health pools, which was nearly double the mount, even at an average of 30K.<br /><br />MoP should be interesting, because if they bring out gear with literally thousands of stat points (1285+ Stamina, 1176 Strength), there is going to be a bit of a problem...Brontehttp://arewenewatthis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-31534074756283876832012-02-15T08:21:06.125-05:002012-02-15T08:21:06.125-05:00I made a post back in wrath about the stat increas...I made a post back in wrath about the stat increase in wrath and I can find it but yes, I did it based on percentages and the increases from vanilla to BC compared to BC to wrath and the increase of the set numbers. My numbers where completely based on facts as I looked up the actual numbers but being I can not find it I will throw some guess at the numbers based on memory.<br /><br />Vanilla to BC was small, like 10%, BC start to BC end was around 30%. BC to wrath was like 22%, wrath start to wrath end was like 98%.<br /><br />So yes, the big burst started there. Cataclysm, instead of going back to the 10% to 30% and instead of staying with the wrath 22% to 98% decided to take it even further. The start was in the 200% range and then another 150% on top of the 200%.<br /><br />They could have fixed it, instead they decided to make it worse, many times worse. This is why it is a cataclysm miscue. Wrath's version was a wrath miscue. The only thing worse then making a mistake is repeating a mistake even worse than the original mistake.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-75790286303530076462012-02-15T08:14:53.632-05:002012-02-15T08:14:53.632-05:00Those first few quests can be really daunting for ...Those first few quests can be really daunting for sure. They do give you some key gear pieces right off the bat however to help cover some of it.<br /><br />I think they should have started much lower and eased the gear increase as the quest line went on.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-12964137543514672422012-02-15T05:24:48.948-05:002012-02-15T05:24:48.948-05:00I think Wrath's stat inflation is to blame for...I think Wrath's stat inflation is to blame for this as starting with a lower item level would mean the geared players would be unable to upgrade their gear when questing. Also, the power difference was quite great too. The beginning of Cataclysm was very challenging until people gathered some gear - on the other hand, if it wasn't, the geared people would have no challenge at all.<br /><br />However, while this problem is a Wrath one and Cataclysm can't be blamed for it, I think there's one thing you didn't mention: Blizzard could have avoided it in Cataclysm but the gear inflation was quite big again (smaller than in Wrath I think but big nonetheless).Imakulatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18327043103775428011noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-80366491027081107932012-02-14T20:29:27.245-05:002012-02-14T20:29:27.245-05:00This one is really, REALLY aggravating, and reeks ...This one is really, REALLY aggravating, and reeks of a total lack of playtest. I've recently gone through the 78-81 jump in a newly created character and can attest from first-hand experience: the shift in stats when going from wrath to cataclysm is just grotesque.Macnolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001019572827062067noreply@blogger.com