tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post7584451799389591274..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Fixing Hunter (and others) DPSTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-43228644015049128222014-02-28T16:13:55.000-05:002014-02-28T16:13:55.000-05:00Even with a little lag is you are ABC, always be c...Even with a little lag is you are ABC, always be casting, you will do better. Sure you might lose a bit to time, but better off.<br /><br />It works for things with a cast time also. However I would not be as well versed in explaining it because I usually know all the "details" on hunters as they are the ones I cared enough to look them up on.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-50334622260192552162014-02-28T15:58:57.389-05:002014-02-28T15:58:57.389-05:00Ah, okay... yeah, that works for instants but I wa...Ah, okay... yeah, that works for instants but I wasn't sure how having a bunch of cast-time abilities mixed in would work with that. Since it sounds possible I'll try do it when I analyze my logs this week.<br /><br />From a min/max perspective, yeah, but the cost of being a bit sub-optimal on WHAT you hit costs a lot less as long as you're actually doing SOMETHING with each GCD.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-40923179588550059652014-02-27T13:13:14.823-05:002014-02-27T13:13:14.823-05:00You can see when you do damage. If you have a 1.5...You can see when you do damage. If you have a 1.5 second GCD then you should be doing damage with something every 1.5 seconds correct? Now see when your hits (my arrows) are landing and see if there is time lost between hits.<br /><br />Another way, if you do not want to view over everything which is a bit insane is to take one "on cooldown" ability as in something you will always used no matter what and then check the fight length and divide. If you could have gotten 50 in and you did 40 it could be one of 2 things. You are not doing your rotation optionally and can use some practice, or you are losing time somewhere.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-10894562626957587562014-02-27T12:41:15.886-05:002014-02-27T12:41:15.886-05:00Yep, 0.3s lag on every ability for a class primari...Yep, 0.3s lag on every ability for a class primarily balanced around a 1.5s GCD is a 20% dps hit... or 60K for someone doing 300K. Can't argue the math. :)<br /><br />How were you able to see the delay in the logs? I'm decent at reading logs but there are still a few elements that I haven't figured out, that's one of them (didn't even realize you could).Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-10480192517133458582014-02-26T10:33:27.189-05:002014-02-26T10:33:27.189-05:00Yes they do. When they take damage they hoot and g...Yes they do. When they take damage they hoot and give a little wing flap. It is quite funny.<br /><br />For trees there is a glyph that if you stand near a campfire you catch on fire.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-46801876975981027082014-02-26T10:18:17.958-05:002014-02-26T10:18:17.958-05:00LOL, boomkin's hoot! that must be a sight to ...LOL, boomkin's hoot! that must be a sight to see and hear. Do they flap their arms?<br /><br />I wonder if they go to forests that are on fire if they start to say "only you can prevent forest fires" (that one big forest fire up in Northrend, can't remember which zone though. : ( ). <br /><br />Wait, I was wrong. Sorry. you could switch. because we had that dead zone where anyone could stand and we couldnt attack. Wait. lets see, we had a range slot where our bow or rifle was. and 2 slots where we could have a 2-handed or dual wield 2 1-handed weapons. I may not be 100% accurate at times (well, most times). Yup, I believe I am right - we couldn't switch out what we had on us when in combat. <br /><br />But if any grumpy readers of yours who played in vanilla, shed some light on this, I would be most grateful. I may be right and I may be wrong, but would like to be corrected if I am wrong. :D<br /><br />Thanks GE-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-73658336926962572332014-02-26T08:17:17.323-05:002014-02-26T08:17:17.323-05:00I did not know you could not switch weapons back i...I did not know you could not switch weapons back in vanilla. You learn something new every day. I did not play back then.<br /><br />I can imagine you would get used to it because that is the only way you have played. I am sure if I didn't play with sounds I would get used to it as well.<br /><br />For some classes they do make noise, like if a puddle appears under a boomkin they start to hoot, which I must say I find quite humorous. Not quite as funny as the worgen dying sounds or the male panda flop of death, but still funny.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-17559097137019186482014-02-26T08:04:22.760-05:002014-02-26T08:04:22.760-05:00that was back in vanilla when you couldn't. b...that was back in vanilla when you couldn't. besides with a pet, combat is over rather quickly.<br /><br />Well, if it playng with no sounds and enjoying myself, or playing with sounds and highly possibly bringing one on, then I would rather have sounds off - besides, one gets use to it. :D So, I have to use sight more, big deal - besides puddles on the ground (bad puddles on the ground) don't make noise anyway and those I can see and move.-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-50878879626048255372014-02-26T07:27:03.825-05:002014-02-26T07:27:03.825-05:00I am not at my computer and am not great a making ...I am not at my computer and am not great a making macros on the fly, so my wording might be wrong but I think this is how it goes and I have one for every shot.<br /><br />/targetenemy [noexists][noharm][dead]<br />/startattack<br />/cast arcane shot<br /><br />Also, not sure if I have start attack before or after the ability. I think it is after the ability.<br /><br />All this basically removes is the need to hit tab to get the target. I am a firm believer that any time you can remove a key stroke or any action you are speeding up the rate at which you can react and a targeting macro works wonders for that. It removes the need to hit tab to get a mob.<br /><br />This is even better for questing. I can run around just spamming an instant like arcane and tag all my quest mobs.<br /><br />One bad part is that it will attack a flagged character which means you still need to pay attention. I believe that is why I have start attack after the spell. You can stop the spell from going off if you are fast enough, you can not stop the start attack.<br /><br />Either way, I leave it like that so if I need to PvP it will not stop me from doing it and if I put a conditional in it to not attack a player it would really suck when I needed to. If I attack a PvP player I just kill them and move along. No biggie really. Just a general annoyance.<br /><br />With no sound I can't find my groove either. It is weird how we become so dependent on it. I just can't use a gun, to each their own. You are a drawf, you are supposed to use a gun anyway. ;)<br /><br />My latency usually maxes out at 60. On rare occasions it will get higher than that but that is not very often.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-26908884197016247282014-02-26T00:01:09.813-05:002014-02-26T00:01:09.813-05:00Hi Grumpy, I'm curious to see what effect the ...Hi Grumpy, I'm curious to see what effect the auto-targeting macro has on your cast queuing.<br />Personally, I deal fine with the lack of autotargeting now on a hunter, it annoyed at first when they removed it, but now it ensures I force myself to target things. Wierdly, this I like.<br /><br />I'm also interested in comparing the kinds of latency players experience in North America, to what I experience. I am in Western Australia and a GOOD latency night for me would include about 230ms Home and 250ms World, totalling nearly 0.5s.<br /><br />For other players in my raid, that usually doesn't matter as we all are relatively similar (i.e. all Oceanic), but I do notice it sometimes in pug flex raids when I am playing with Americans<br /><br />I have played around with the latency compensation tool, with limited sucess. It mostly seems to affect the animations, as opposed to the server queries, at least from my point of view.<br /><br />Similar to you, I use sounds as timing queues a lot. Sometimes my client bugs out when it starts and no sound is available and I've found it difficult to 'find my groove' with the timing of abilities without it. Conversely to you, I use a gun for exactly that reason, I find the steady, 'click-boom' sounds to be my ability timer. That and I play a dwarf, so using even a crossbow let alone a bow, just doesn't feel right to me.<br /><br />Cheers,<br />Bronebeard (Saurfang-US)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-64687906816363520652014-02-25T18:27:27.986-05:002014-02-25T18:27:27.986-05:00I think that is what causes the delay, if you hit ...I think that is what causes the delay, if you hit it too soon. When I was playing around months ago with latency tolerance and timing my abilities to see the effects of lost factions of a second I noticed that mashing was losing seconds. Could be the mashing that does it, could be my auto target macros that do it. But it does happen and could cause a loss of DPS. Or at least it seemed to.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-80845548613784487222014-02-25T16:16:56.210-05:002014-02-25T16:16:56.210-05:00I'm also a button masher, a la Kripparian. I...I'm also a button masher, a la Kripparian. I was under the impression that that method was totally obsolete now because of cast queuing, where there's no need to wait until a cast is done, the next spell you hit will "queue" and automatically cast when your current is over. <br /><br />I don't know when exactly that queue starts is the problem, though. <br /><br />~DeliriumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-55557904720890609852014-02-25T15:53:43.080-05:002014-02-25T15:53:43.080-05:00That is how I play. It is a bad habit, for me at ...That is how I play. It is a bad habit, for me at least, but ti works for him. I think it is a timing thing more than anything else. I find myself hitting an extra cobra I do not want. Bad timing.<br /><br />What you need to do to make it work is not constantly mash, just mash to catch the global. My problem is I constantly mash. Even 0.1 second between abilties and you lose DPS. So mashing is the right thing to do, but mashing too much can be bad as well. It is a skill as much as anything else and has to do with timing. I sometimes get into the bad habit of doing it to much or mashing the wrong button and accidentally catching something I did not want to get.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-26114367504151332182014-02-25T15:49:57.986-05:002014-02-25T15:49:57.986-05:00I too am a graduate of the Kripparian method of DP...I too am a graduate of the Kripparian method of DPS (http://youtu.be/VgDjG_0ecTI) mash to catch the GC. Unfortunately with the changes (cata?) where warlock spells sorta stack, I do find myself double-casting long cast spells like Immolate too often. I am trying to slow down the mashing to BC when I tried to time my casting to the second a spell dropped off. Elkagorasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868176919786509891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-58728846120473175862014-02-25T15:44:14.602-05:002014-02-25T15:44:14.602-05:00This expansion was the first time I have not used ...This expansion was the first time I have not used the T5. Still have it of course, but have not soloed anything where I needed it.<br /><br />I like sounds for listening to the boss emotes. No need to ever keep a track of DBM timers when you can tell everything that is going on in the fight by the sound of the boss. Helps me, but while I tried to explain what to listen for, not many others notice it. They would be, what the hell are you talking about, I did not hear the boss do that.<br /><br />For me it was a combo of mutton mashing which in turn was causing my macros to lag my shots by a fair deal of time, up to 0.3 seconds each shot. Over the course of a fight that really adds up, in this case, to around 60K DPS.<br /><br />Knowing what I did, looking at logs and seeing the delay knowing my latency was perfect meant the only reason for all my shots being off were due to my mashing or macros, or both.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-68282446550361490092014-02-25T13:30:24.689-05:002014-02-25T13:30:24.689-05:00I've raided with the TI trinket once... did a ...I've raided with the TI trinket once... did a bit less dps but not enough to start checking for issues. Only noticed after the raid.<br /><br />My big issue on my hunter is 2pc T5... I normally run those when soloing anything, every now and then I'd forget to switch back... but these days I notice myself wearing them, got to that level of awareness, so it hasn't happened lately.<br /><br />I play with the game at a low volume level and I don't use sound for any indicators aside from DBM (and I have it just loud enough to hear DBM). I don't use GTFO or similar. I'm sure that hurts me a bit but not enough to change my basic paradigm.<br /><br />It's rare that I do significantly less dps than usual but it happens occasionally. Usually I can't identify a cause (and did you figure out your issue? I don't recall seeing an answer in there) so I just shrug and try to do better the next time.<br /><br />It also takes me a while to warm up to fights... takes at least 20 attempts on most fights before I start to do normal dps on them and I'm usually still improving beyond that point. That isn't a huge issue when I'm progression raiding but when I'm new and running with an established group that has bosses on farm, only seeing them once or twice a week really makes that a visible process to me. I'd like to speed up my ramp up time but I don't think that's more likely to happen as I get older, if anything it's more likely the ramp up will slow down. Sometimes, based on circumstances, you have to be satisfied with "good enough".Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-55491444755456872052014-02-25T12:47:45.802-05:002014-02-25T12:47:45.802-05:00I doubt I would even want to play without sounds. ...I doubt I would even want to play without sounds. I am just so used to it.<br /><br />Those visual effects are why I hate melee. I can't believe they are that bad and there is no way to dial them back.<br /><br />I've done that too. But remember, you can change weapons while in combat. Only weapons however.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-20933091804724266402014-02-25T12:05:23.645-05:002014-02-25T12:05:23.645-05:00your lucky - you can have sound - I cant have it o...your lucky - you can have sound - I cant have it on for fear of it bringing on a seizure. Same with a lot of the niffy visual effects - all off. Water and sun effects - off. <br /><br />But I wanted to say how I was attacked by a mob and couldn't shoot because I had a fishing pole in my hands, that I forgot about, lol. So, I wamped the hell out of the critter, lol.<br /><br />roo the ancient one-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.com