tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post6528733918844253053..comments2024-03-29T05:19:30.673-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Setting up for Raiding in 5.4TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-83513042810122608542013-06-18T17:36:23.547-04:002013-06-18T17:36:23.547-04:00My turtle rocks.My turtle rocks.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-84776388172622900322013-06-18T11:55:13.355-04:002013-06-18T11:55:13.355-04:00Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:
LOL, your...Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:<br /><br />LOL, your turtle has raided... and likely was a much better raider than some I have seen, unless of course you mean you pet combat system turtle. (And even then, I suspect the pet combat turtle is better than some.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-68857739302696983182013-06-17T15:44:13.936-04:002013-06-17T15:44:13.936-04:00I know it is part of the learning process but what...I know it is part of the learning process but what has changed really since years ago and now. Years ago when looking up raiding you knew what to do before you stepped in and now no one does.<br /><br />The LFR is doing a great disservice to the game in aspects like this. It gives new people the idea they are raiders when they are about as far from being raiders as my pet turtle is.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-32904096271041975032013-06-17T14:27:53.068-04:002013-06-17T14:27:53.068-04:00Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:
Yea, I re...Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:<br /><br />Yea, I read your Monday thoughts today...and that is why I will stand by my thought on the matter. Vent and DBM are the bare minimum requirements for raiding with us. <br /><br />I know it is troublesome to get to the 1 minute to pull and then notice that not everyone is logged into vent. That always pissed me off greatly, though I tried very hard to maintain my calm facade and deal with it. <br /><br />The only real solution is to take the new players by the hand as soon as they enter the guild and make sure they understand that Vent is REQUIRED, and that DBM is also REQUIRED. No exceptions, not a one; "you" want to run with us, get them installed now before the first signup. I hate to say it but yes, that too is part of the teaching process. <br /><br />It should not be so of course, but should and is are two entirely different things. Yes, I know how much it is annoying, but as the teacher/instructor/raid lead, it does fall to you to see that this is accomplished. I would suggest however that a better way to do it is have one of the other officers take the time to make sure that this is done. We have several folks that can be effective doing so, so let them take some of the pressure on this off your shoulders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-84199987986321617272013-06-17T08:59:12.789-04:002013-06-17T08:59:12.789-04:00I've been having a lot of vent and DBMs issues...I've been having a lot of vent and DBMs issues with the new players. Not ones from the other guild that joined, just flat out new players. It is like they all want to raid and no one want to do the work.<br /><br />This new generation of the players shows that there is little t no future for this game.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-78576084138450901692013-06-15T08:52:36.411-04:002013-06-15T08:52:36.411-04:00Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:
I have be...Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:<br /><br />I have been reviewing our guild charter for a bit now, since the last Officer Council meeting requested a re-write of some parts to accommodate the new members discomfort with the loot rules and supposedly other parts of the charter. One of the things noted clearly more than once is the need for the ability to use Vent. Another was the use of add-ons to make sure all the players were on the same page for raiding. <br /><br />Honestly, I can't see a need to change a word on those requirements. Voice communication in a raid or even in PvP is far superior to any other way of doing things. Anyone who feels otherwise is not someone I want to play with and I can't see it not being mandatory to long term group play in the guild. The benefits are to immense as opposed to whatever drawbacks that might be mentioned as reasons to not use it. <br /><br />Being technically challenged is no excuse either, as there are many guild members who can help set up the thing through clear written instructions. The same for the use of add-ons can be said. There is no excuse to not have DBM installed. There are plenty of guild members who can and would be happy to help set up such. <br /><br />As a side note, the loot rules do need updating I believe to reflect the new realities of LFR and the soon to exist Flex raiding (FR). As I am not currently all that active, you need to get that done and submit it to the Officers' Council for approval.<br /><br />Other than the update on Loot rules, the rest of the charter should stand as it is. For those who can't consent to live with the charter, the lowest guild rank is all they deserve. It serves as a filter to keep out people who are not going to stay permanently and frankly, if they aren't in the guild for the long term, the guild is better off with them gone sooner rather than later. <br /><br />I choose this post to put this up in because it does and should be considered in view of our doing 25 man raids. Hope you don't mind the minor hi-jacking of the post for this guild business but it needed to be bought to your attention. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-3926378490276936742013-06-14T06:30:55.840-04:002013-06-14T06:30:55.840-04:00I usually assign three healers to tanks. One to e...I usually assign three healers to tanks. One to each as their priority healing target and the third as the secondary on healing as primary when they are the active tank.<br /><br />Seems to work well on most fights. Not all. Sometimes it is just better to heal by community. Usually our 10 mans can work that way when you have 2/3 healers that have been working together for a long time. For 25s it takes a much longer time for a healing crew to mesh like that.<br /><br />One thing I have going for me is that the 6 healers are all sure things. So we will not have to worry about a new crew each week which might help.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-40516377102141269692013-06-14T06:27:55.103-04:002013-06-14T06:27:55.103-04:00It is a lot of work but it can also be very reward...It is a lot of work but it can also be very rewarding if it works out well. I am sure I can get the 25 to at least 3/12 next week if I get the same people to show up and can pick up a few more capable damage dealers and a solid tank.<br /><br />The biggest problem with 25 man raiding is the assembling of it. I've been there before but it had to be four years since. The last time I ran a 25 was in wrath. So I am out of practice myself. I guess it is new for everyone.<br /><br />I've found my biggest challenge so far with recruiting new raiders is removing the taint that the LFR has caused. I am getting people with 510-515 item levels that want to raid, consider themselves raiders, but when I send them an invite to test them out and tell them to get on vent and make sure they have an updated DBMs they say, what is vent and what is DBMs. Sometimes I think the LFR does more damage than it does good. Offered a fill in spot to someone new last night for our 10. Lost someone on tortos and needed a fill in. Asked him to get on vent and his head exploded.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-23415861036718794662013-06-14T02:23:03.775-04:002013-06-14T02:23:03.775-04:00@Taitrina I find 25m a lot more stressful with our...@Taitrina I find 25m a lot more stressful with our healers, because they don't understand 25m healing (i.e. also using tank cooldowns) and, unlike 10m, I can't be self-sufficient for the full duration of the fight. 'Time to live' is shorter on 25m.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-57016875302636386112013-06-14T02:07:37.279-04:002013-06-14T02:07:37.279-04:00I really hope this works for you like you want it ...I really hope this works for you like you want it to. 25m requires a lot of effort from a raid leader as you well know, but is also extremely satisfying. Good luck!Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-5557228724117815572013-06-13T13:10:08.981-04:002013-06-13T13:10:08.981-04:00One of my servers is mostly Spanish even if it is ...One of my servers is mostly Spanish even if it is not labeled as such. When I do randoms I get put in groups where everyone speaks Spanish. The server was not labeled as such and I would have never guessed it would be. So even choosing one that is in your area, like being in the US and choosing a NY one, how more US can you get, you can still end up on a spanish server in a LFD group that will put you with all spanish speaking players. Yes, that is 100% true because that happened to me on one of my alts.<br /><br />I do know what you mean about choice however, even if what I mentioned shows it goes against choice sometimes. But I do not think I would, being in the US, capable of making the choice to be in a UK server.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-60389299158808549172013-06-13T13:06:15.436-04:002013-06-13T13:06:15.436-04:00That would probably be best and I too would dislik...That would probably be best and I too would dislike it. They would also need to look into faction balance when doing it as well. Throw that in there too and it really gets harder to match things up.<br /><br />I wonder if they are taking that into consideration.<br /><br />I am guessing two of three small servers will be thrown in with yours. That is probably how they will work it. Adding a few smalls to yours would make yours bigger and leave the already large ones alone.<br /><br />Lets say your server is heavy horde, then throw three small servers that are heavy alliance in with yours. Balance server size and factions at the same time, or at least attempt to.<br /><br />All guess work there of course. But I think that would be the best way to go about it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-26020542225253947982013-06-13T13:04:09.338-04:002013-06-13T13:04:09.338-04:00I think the regions will stay separate or you'...I think the regions will stay separate or you'll run into forced lag issues. Right now I believe you CAN play toons that you start in another region but that's a voluntary choice that you make by doing that so the lag is just a cost of making that choice. Can you imagine LFR as it is now PLUS large lag for half the players depending on which region the shared server ends up on?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-63818112444730668862013-06-13T13:00:46.803-04:002013-06-13T13:00:46.803-04:00It's funny, the idea that I think would be BES...It's funny, the idea that I think would be BEST is also I think the one that I would WANT least.<br /><br />Just match up the biggest servers with the smallest servers. 1 with 250, 2 with 249, etc, right down to 124 with 125 (forgive the math, you'd have to fudge the plan with an even number). You'd end up with, more or less, 125 equally-sized but independent servers.<br /><br />You'd completely lose the whole big server vs small server thing but I think that'll probably be lost no matter what implementation they decide to use.<br /><br />For instance, my primary server feels pretty dead... I rarely see a Nalak group forming even on a Tue night. I rarely see raids pugging spots in trade chat.<br /><br />Yet, my server is about 1/3 on the list population-wise (about 80th), according to realmpop.com, and has about half the population of the largest servers. It's a much smaller difference than I'd expected. I haven't figured out a way for that site to rank them to get an exact number but just eyeballing the scroll bar, it's around there. My second server, which I'd say is even quieter (especially AH-wise, the AH there is about 1/4 the size of my main server AH), is at about the 1/2 point.<br /><br />If they only merge the smallest servers then servers like mine won't be touched. I tend to prefer the quieter vibe vs a top 10 server but it does have issues when you actually want to DO group activities.<br /><br />So, yeah, I'm curious to see how they decide to implement it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-26269704738444332762013-06-13T12:09:50.455-04:002013-06-13T12:09:50.455-04:00I think 12 have killed it now, at least last I che...I think 12 have killed it now, at least last I checked it was 12 out of about 40. So still a low kill rate.<br /><br />Sad part is 3 of those 12 are now disbanded. Guilds are dying at an alarming rate. I almost feel bad being the one guild this is benefiting from their deaths.<br /><br />The server transfers actually helped the horde on my server. It is alive for the first time this expansion. I wonder why so many horde came to my server, a dead server, where they are the minority.<br /><br />Hopefully we can go back to the good old days when my server was basically 50/50 all the time.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-17195981585287651582013-06-13T11:48:45.785-04:002013-06-13T11:48:45.785-04:00I hope this virtual realm idea fixes my server. Th...I hope this virtual realm idea fixes my server. There was a huge exodus of guilds that transferred last week due to the special Blizz had. I wonder if they regret leaving now with this news. I haven't seen this big of a guild exodus on my medium sized realm (it's really a low pop) since mid Wrath. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.<br /><br />On a side note, speaking of progression, any luck on your server with more guilds downing Horridon? We're up to 14 now, woot lolSufferwellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-21711635774579550492013-06-13T10:27:55.889-04:002013-06-13T10:27:55.889-04:00I think people like 25 mans because of human natur...I think people like 25 mans because of human nature. Human nature is to take the path of least resistance and that is 25 man.<br /><br />I too prefer 10 man raiding. You get to know your team better, people are more responsible because they are less likely to get lost in the crowd, or feel as if they are lost in the crowd. They also have the added benefit of being easier to assemble and I've noticed my in game friendships are usually closer with people on my 10 man team than they are with a 25 man team.<br /><br />I was referring to pugging coming back with flex raiding. Hopefully it will ICC 30% or DS 30% type of raid which will make it very puggable. I know it will be easier, it all depends on how much easier. Like horridon could be nerfed 30% and I bet you still would not be able to pug it on most servers. So not only do I hope they are 30% difficulty I hope some of the mechanics are also toned down some. But I do hope all the mechanics do remain in there otherwise it would lose part of its value as a training tool.<br /><br />You and I seem to have reverse luck. When I was doing well raiding early on you could not get anything running. When I hit a wall and was having problems no moving anywhere you started downing new stuff each week. Now things are picking up for me again and slowing down for you. We raid opposite each other. lol<br /><br />Wonder if they will ever allow US and UK to group up. It is only a matter of time.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-30238707110460993662013-06-13T10:04:02.747-04:002013-06-13T10:04:02.747-04:00Good post, you seem to harbour much of the same ho...Good post, you seem to harbour much of the same hopes about what 5.4 might do, as I do.<br /><br />You say people like 25's, I say some do and some don't. I personally dislike 25's. I'll never willingly raid 25 man. Maybe now I'm tanking it'd be better as there are the same number of tanks in 25 or 10 so the job is the same. Otherwise it feels very much like being part of a mob, just mowing things down with numbers. I like the personal responsibility of 10 man. Especially with how tight everything is tuned, if someone goes down in 10 man it's often a wipe, if someone goes down in 25 I feel like it doesn't make much of a difference. Anyway, I hope 25's work out for you.<br /><br />We had to cancel the raid again tonight due to lack of people. We asked those on our friends list and none of them could come, or would come. I'm not pure pugging Throne. You say pugging is a good way to recruit and I don't disagree. However, with how tight Throne is tuned, if you have one personal performing sub-par then it's going to be slow going, or a wipefest. What's worse for morale? Wiping all night on something you usually one shot due to the pug, or cancelling the raid?<br /><br />I'm hoping with virtual realms in 5.4 we'll have a larger pool of recruits to draw from. There will also be flex raiding. Due to how many people have transferred off our realm most of the friends list is off server. So should we have a night like tonight with 8 signups, one of whom I refuse to take into a normal raid again (it's a healer and yes they are that bad), then we could fill out with off server friends, plus take people not so good, and still get a raid in. Cancelling raids is bad as it does make people think that the guild is struggling, which is true, so with flex we'll have an alternative. It's too bad that you can't scale flex down. I do wonder though if flex might stop at 10, but if you can enter with less, and if it's not tuned as tightly, whether less people who are good could clear it. Would be interesting to find out.<br /><br />Anyway best of luck with your 25 man. I hope that 5.4 is everything we both hope that it is.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17771213542953346538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-48121130327297679972013-06-13T09:45:31.158-04:002013-06-13T09:45:31.158-04:00The 13 implies heroic as there are only 12 in norm...The 13 implies heroic as there are only 12 in normal. So yes.<br /><br />I too am looking forward to more information on the virtual servers. If it is how I think it will be it is basically merging a few servers together to work as one without actually merging them. If that is indeed the case, it could be a huge addition to servers like mine which have very few players to recruit from.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-66727232136343605242013-06-13T09:37:02.712-04:002013-06-13T09:37:02.712-04:00I assume you meant the top 10m guild on your serve...I assume you meant the top 10m guild on your server is H 2/13?<br /><br />Not much to comment on otherwise, all makes sense although I'm reserving my opinion on virtual servers until I hear more detail on how it will actually be implemented.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com