tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post5758403001838349881..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Should Legendary Progress Be Account Wide?TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-30882626661320102082015-04-24T11:45:14.237-04:002015-04-24T11:45:14.237-04:00I do not have any on the rune phase, getting stone...I do not have any on the rune phase, getting stones, did not see any difference, stopped.<br /><br />Did not really stop because I was not getting the bonus, stopped because I really need nothing from HM. I wish the stones dropped in BRF. I hate having to go back and do something that serves no purpose to me. Heck, even LFR serves no purpose to me, but at least it is current and not old content like HM is now.<br /><br />And yes, you can still only get 1 or 2 stones from HM even after they "boosted" things. I was getting at most 1 cluster per run. They should have increased it to 1 cluster per boss in my opinion.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-57937302455091983752015-04-24T11:29:30.874-04:002015-04-24T11:29:30.874-04:00your friends are probably getting confused with th...your friends are probably getting confused with the "bonus" luck based where you can get like 27 you should be getting plus 4 Elemental Rune's I am and its not luck based. Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37849973458458757712015-04-24T10:07:59.162-04:002015-04-24T10:07:59.162-04:00Look forward to seeing you. We will probably be d...Look forward to seeing you. We will probably be doing BRF however, not HM. I only put the lesser raid on the calender in case we have a weak group that day so we could do that instead. Better to bump people up and do a better raid when putting HM on the calender than to put BRF on the calender and have to lower down to HM as it would upset people. ;)<br /><br />The proving grounds are more about positioning and how you handle things like interrupts and the freezing amber than DPS. Heck I even managed it as DPS on my rogue, my shadow priest and elemental shaman, all three specs I am poor on. Not to mention I managed it on my druid in bear spec because I do not have a DPS spec. I did the tank one, the healer one, and then the DPS one as a tank just so I could have them all done. It is more about execution than DPS. And as you are a smart person and a long time player, I am sure you handled the execution well pretty quickly.<br /><br />I'd say at least get the ring to 680. All it requires are dungeons and there are many in the guild that have alts that need it that would gladly be willing to do it with you. I know I would.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-91117282231822270692015-04-24T10:03:49.696-04:002015-04-24T10:03:49.696-04:00" So for this expansion, does it matter if yo..." So for this expansion, does it matter if you dont have the ring?"<br /><br />Yes, when the fights are designed around people having the ring it really helps to have the ring.<br /><br />Now, to the wotlk part.<br /><br />Apples and oranges my friend. Can't compare them. In wrath skill mattered a lot.<br /><br />I could (and did) join a ICC 25 man heroic pug and put on full ulduar gear and destroyed every DPS in the group because skill mattered more than gear. Gear upped potential, but skill mattered a lot.<br /><br />Now, not so much. I could join a heroic BRF group in full normal HM gear (think that difference would be comparable to what I mentioned for wrath) and I could perform with absolute perfection and would be beat by anyone that didn't fall asleep during the fight. The potential of gear now is so huge and so important and even if you are a piss poor player the gear can make so much of a difference.<br /><br />With that said, and knowing that gear makes a huge difference, even for a poor player. The ring matters, it really matters.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-41981617678862855062015-04-24T09:57:19.623-04:002015-04-24T09:57:19.623-04:00That is the problem for me. I don't want to r...That is the problem for me. I don't want to raid all the time on alts. Not with hour wait times, toxic groups, and nothing else to do in the meantime while waiting like flying around doing arch, pet battles, or doing daily.<br /><br />Add flying so I can fly around while in queue and the LFR would not be the hell to wait on as it is now. That is what kills it for me.<br /><br />I do not have the time to wait hours on end on multiple characters. I want it sped up to the point I have to do all the clears maybe twice at most to get everything and then "maybe" it will be worth it, for me at least.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-85925824630403728152015-04-24T09:50:45.773-04:002015-04-24T09:50:45.773-04:00Apexis crystals were capable of being done in one ...Apexis crystals were capable of being done in one day on the day of release, me and someone else in guild did it that first day hitting 100. They just added a way to speed it up some, but it was always there. It is nice they added a speed up there. But it is still a complete waste of time.<br /><br />For alts, at least for me on alts, I would not "rush" it. I would do 5 dailies over 5 days. I am sure most people would do that.<br /><br />Heck, some of my alts that are not even 100 are already approaching 5K just from work orders. lolTheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-62863508231689110022015-04-24T09:48:04.311-04:002015-04-24T09:48:04.311-04:00You can realistically hit 100 and never need to st...You can realistically hit 100 and never need to step into HM. You can go from ding to BRF instantly, having people have to stop at HM is like making them go back to do something they should not longer need to.<br /><br />Admittedly, if you do not have some crafted pieces and AH pieces HM is still a very attractive raid even in LFR. But for my when I am gearing up and I looking to do so most efficiently, and doing content for lesser gear is not very efficient.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-54020326638962313992015-04-24T09:45:43.788-04:002015-04-24T09:45:43.788-04:00You do realize that just because blizzard says the...You do realize that just because blizzard says they did something doesn't make it true?<br /><br />Like, the check is in the mail. That is always true right?<br /><br />It is still luck based. Two of my characters have gotten no bonus. A friend that is running three said 2 of the three seem to get the bonus and one does not. He put in a ticket and they said, it is just luck.<br /><br />So, they might have "increased" the drop rate but it is still luck based which means it is absolutely not an increase UNLESS you are lucky.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-23665231383688804542015-04-24T09:39:56.398-04:002015-04-24T09:39:56.398-04:00It did not make sense to get sigils in ToT or sigi...It did not make sense to get sigils in ToT or sigils and runes in SoO. It is a catch up mechanic, game play always trumps lore. So you can not now or ever use the excuse it would not make sense to get orge items in BRF. Because lets face it, 99.9% of the player base would never get to max level because it does not make sense to get up after dying. So throw out that idea. I do know what you mean and I agree 100%, but it is not an argument as why not to do it. Lore does not matter in this case at all.<br /><br />I do think the BoA idea would be interesting, but only see one problem with it. What of the person that does not need anything or want anything? Just more junk to clutter up their bags in an expansion that has so much bag cluttering junk already. Give them all pieces a 1 gold sell price and then maybe that would be a good way. No one would get rich off it and then people that want to stockpile them can and people that don't can make some gold. So not a bad idea.<br /><br />LFR is how I do it on my alts mostly, or did last time around, and those waits are why I say we need to speed things up. In the grand scheme of things it would take more time "waiting" to get the legendary than "killing" to get the legendary. And that is just not acceptable. For me at least.<br /><br />I do not want it instantly given to alts but I would like to see it sped up considerably.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-64679640230711098072015-04-23T06:46:18.156-04:002015-04-23T06:46:18.156-04:00Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:
I went an...Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:<br /><br />I went and got my silver proving ground last night or rather early this morning, just as an added insurance that I should be able to do a minimal amount of damage. Not sure how well the Proving Ground represents a raid environment, but what ever, I got the silver done after using my usual see it one time to die, one time to win and advance formula. LOL, that takes a while, especially as I had one streak where nothing would proc. For a ret that can get old real quick. In the end, round 8 followed my first success on round 7 with another success and I finished the Proving Ground Silver. <br /><br />I did not try for gold as I had not studied it at all. <br /><br />Silver I did study up on and it went about like I guessed it would when I tried it, based on watching a Tauren paladin blow through it. All I had to do was watch my timing, move when I needed to and move in the right directions and figure out when and where to use my cool downs. After that, it was simply learning the fight dance needed and the barest amount of luck on procs. To be honest, even though I finished all the rounds eventually with time to spare on every round the last time, my DPS sucked for the fight, ending at 10,606. And yes, I know it is normalized for 615 ilevel (I think that is correct), so that still is not as good as I remember doing when my ilevel was actually around 615 (which weren't all that long ago, lol). Current ilevel as of this writing is 634 and hopefully a point or two more by Saturday. <br /><br />Been thinking about the ring. I really don't want to get so heavily involved but it seems like I am destined to do so anyway or at least make the beginning effort to see if I truly want to become a raider again. I may ask you to log in sometime soon and spam run some dungeons with me, just to knock out some quests (and also because I want that guild vendor in my garrison to do more than just stand there).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-65080749263510190522015-04-22T19:04:33.848-04:002015-04-22T19:04:33.848-04:00Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:
Well you ...Anon, Grumpy's former Guild Leader:<br /><br />Well you may not have noticed, but I signed up for a raid this week. I meet your ilevel specification, plus a few points and while I do not know that my DPS will be consistent on it, I have both met and exceeded your minimal DPS standard on occasion. That will likely be my biggest problem, being consistent on my DPS, which is compounded by the fact that I play a ret paladin. As I understand it, rets are not highly regarded as a source of DPS, though I have read of exceptions to that (and lord knows, I hope I can be exceptional...).<br /><br />At any rate, with regards to the ring (soooooo tempted to hiss my precious), I have not done any of the quests aside from getting the initial quest for the ring into my log. I do not anticipate becoming a starting player on our progression team but I would like to be able to participate as a fill in if needed, but if the ring is a mandatory (as many already seem to think it will be) thing, then would that even be a possibility?<br /><br />I know my wanting to return to raiding may surprise you as I have not been a raider since the end of Cata. More surprisingly is the reason why. I can play my ret pally well enough to be able to beat most mobs and rares with little to no trouble, but there are some that I simply will need to out-gear to defeat. I ain't no hunter with my own portable tank, after all. So some gear to play with on my own out in the wild is what I am seeking and raiding sounds like (as is usual per Blizzard) the only viable option for getting any gear of consequence. <br /><br />I know that sounds almost hypocritical coming from someone who hates the Blizzard ilevel progression system as the post level-cap progression method. It isn't really. It is just an acceptance of the fact that while I dislike the system and wish a better progression model was used, it was the method that Blizzard chose and if I want to be able to beat those mobs that I want to beat, gearing up is what I have to do. <br /><br />Also there is simply the fact that I miss the group play and team effort we always have had as a guild. It is the same thing that keeps you logging in to raid in that respect I suppose. We have good folks to play with, even if all of us are not perfect machines of destruction like a certain cat druid or a hunter or two that I could name.<br /><br />Anyway I hope to see you in High Maul Saturday, unless something in real life intervenes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-20744321105617680802015-04-22T10:59:34.291-04:002015-04-22T10:59:34.291-04:00During wotlk people also ran 2 tier old content fo...During wotlk people also ran 2 tier old content for their healing mace. However, I remember that many people just didn't do it because it wasn't really needed unless your bleeding edge (in which case you already had a couple in your guild). So for this expansion, does it matter if you dont have the ring?vinciblegodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09388286593548449545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-64731594552961737992015-04-22T05:28:33.624-04:002015-04-22T05:28:33.624-04:00The thing is, I've run out of things to do exc...The thing is, I've run out of things to do except raids. Well, I didn't do all "daily" and reputation achievements, but they're no more than grind for achievement. <br /><br />Raiding CD at least keep my toons in game, and the epic ring quest is a carrot. <br /><br />I disagree with the idea that you have to get Ogre stones from BRF. And it's not only not fitting lore. Imagine you have to run all the same BRF first for Ogre stones, then for runes - one and the same raid! With my toons dressed up circa 645-650 (I'm LFR only), I was glad to take this step back and return to Highmaul for stones, because I began to get sick of BRF. <br /><br />Now it's my 10 toons going for Highmaul and 1 main raiding BRF. <br /><br />I won't remove this collecting quests, because it gives you both the feeling of progress and effort. I like how it drops from EVERY boss killed, but I would also increase this drop number of course. To complete 1 step in 2-3 weeks. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-42636946537751481672015-04-21T22:40:58.550-04:002015-04-21T22:40:58.550-04:00Apexis crystals can be done in a single day. By pu...Apexis crystals can be done in a single day. By purchasing the various quests off your Garrison vendor. 200 resources a pop iirc. Plus the garrison quest itself will open up another 800 crystals zone. Went from ~2200 to the 5k needed just this Sunday gone on one toon, and thence into HM-lfr for stones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-68524852460917439682015-04-21T18:21:37.729-04:002015-04-21T18:21:37.729-04:00At least at this point in WoD, my 2 alts are both ...At least at this point in WoD, my 2 alts are both in fairly low level gear. I'll still need to run this old content in order to get upgrades. The Timeless Isle gear really made gearing up pointless in those early raids. My boosted druid and my healer were able to jump straight to Throne of Thunder without issue.. <br /><br />I believe the legendary quest should be 'painful' and make it feel like "wow I got a legendary __". That was an aweseome DPS cloak, in fact, Mr Robot still suggests I equip that old cloak on my warlock over the 640 "Cloak of Overflowing Energies" from HM I have.. <br /><br />Elkagorasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868176919786509891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-72202903299628686902015-04-21T17:38:38.066-04:002015-04-21T17:38:38.066-04:00You do realize they have already made the collecti...You do realize they have already made the collection quests easier for alts after you complete that portion of the quest on your main. here's a link http://www.wowhead.com/news=246706/patch-6-1-hotfixes-for-march-11th-recent-blue-tweets-legendary-questline-boost-f#recent-blue-tweets Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-20703494828756332032015-04-21T16:53:14.927-04:002015-04-21T16:53:14.927-04:00There are a few things I would consider, first aft...There are a few things I would consider, first after you have the ring on your main and only after you have the actual legendary one, then being able to purchase the runes and stones either with gold or profession mats or whatever then you can start building the ring. Of course you have to get the other quest items that drop as those shouldn't be purchased just to show blizzard your willing to play along. You could also make the runes and stones BOA. We are running raids already so why not continue to get the goods. What I have found is that LFR drops more of the goods than running regular or heroic. I was able to get the last 80 or so by running all the BRF LFRs one after the other. I did not think I would get that many so I was surprised when I was able to get it all in a few hours. LFR queues suck on my realm average wait time is at least an hour but at least I got it done.Liothushttp://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/lightbringer/Liothus/advancednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-32553292792310751752015-04-21T13:34:33.517-04:002015-04-21T13:34:33.517-04:00That is what I am getting at. Having to run the o...That is what I am getting at. Having to run the old stuff to "catch" up kind of sucks. Even more so if you do not get enough, or anything like in mists, then it feels like a complete waste of time.<br /><br />I hope they really do add a catch up. It already sucks we have to run H M if we want to start on any new characters and HM is old content now.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37651012069289470792015-04-21T13:31:30.502-04:002015-04-21T13:31:30.502-04:00And then the end result is you do not even get som...And then the end result is you do not even get something for "you" but a raid cooldown that is used when your raid needs it and not for you yourself really seems like they made the grind for a really crappy reward if you ask me.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-55555016566595283172015-04-21T12:39:17.302-04:002015-04-21T12:39:17.302-04:00I started so late in MOP on my main, that running ...I started so late in MOP on my main, that running through with my healer alt was painful. So much so that she never completed the first collecting quests. <br /><br />It didn't help at all that she was running around in Timeless Isles i496 gear at the time and it required that I run the first raids (Mogushun vaults and that spring) in order to collect the tokens. Basically, if no stones dropped off any boss, it was a waste of my time and mana. So I quit trying. <br /><br />A skip mechanism would have helped. Elkagorasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868176919786509891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-5973022304523033372015-04-21T12:33:27.002-04:002015-04-21T12:33:27.002-04:00Yeah. I'm not above SOME grinding for a good r...Yeah. I'm not above SOME grinding for a good reward, but this xpac seems excessive. I'm only still doing the quest to help my raid team. If I didn't have a regular team I'd have said screw it as soon as I saw 5-6 WEEKS of abrogator stones.JC Swayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580720277068633415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-56217233424878185402015-04-21T09:50:34.596-04:002015-04-21T09:50:34.596-04:00I am surprised that you can not get stones in BRF....I am surprised that you can not get stones in BRF. That is the reason most of my alts are stalled completely now.<br /><br />It just does not seem worth it to do HM LFR when I need nothing from it and I am not going to pug a normal or even heroic with the "chance" at failure when I am just there to collect a few stones. Stones should have been dropped from BRF as well.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-49109187065318347432015-04-21T09:49:22.132-04:002015-04-21T09:49:22.132-04:00That would make it one hell of a quick catch up. Y...That would make it one hell of a quick catch up. You could do, with appropriate time, the entire line in one day.<br /><br />Ditching all the repetition parts would most definitely please the masses.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-70327004028798473992015-04-21T09:18:12.481-04:002015-04-21T09:18:12.481-04:00I'm for anything that speeds up the collecting...I'm for anything that speeds up the collecting stages. Anything at all.JC Swayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12580720277068633415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-13064621967750843442015-04-21T08:37:32.548-04:002015-04-21T08:37:32.548-04:00My shortcut would be to remove all of the collecti...My shortcut would be to remove all of the collecting quests for alts completely but keep all the other quests.<br /><br />No Apexis collecting but you still have to do the heroic dungeon quests.<br />No Abrogator stones collecting but you still need the specific item from Imperator Mar'gok.<br />No Runes but you still need thingumajig no.2 from Blackhand etc etc..<br /><br />Basically, the alt would need to complete the content but not have to do all the repetition of that content.<br />Solahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193184689961780585noreply@blogger.com