tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post5751270732199213867..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Are We Too Dependent on Addons?TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-65229469297013892632017-11-21T08:57:49.706-05:002017-11-21T08:57:49.706-05:00the other people that you're getting the info ... the other people that you're getting the info from also need to run ORA3. So even if you don't want to see all this yourself, run it in the background while you raid. Never know when it will come in handy. Especially if you're a druid. <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/o-o-0-o-o-wingowing/" rel="nofollow">more info</a><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12819340383697554523noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-2378528466684281922014-06-13T11:56:12.432-04:002014-06-13T11:56:12.432-04:00Ah, no AH add-ons is probably why you mentioned th...Ah, no AH add-ons is probably why you mentioned the negative around larger stack sizes, they're trivial for me. Do yourself a favour and grab Auctionator, it's lightweight but completely blows away the default AH interface.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-21572946669231474472014-06-13T07:29:19.789-04:002014-06-13T07:29:19.789-04:00I was always surprised that something like OMNICC ...I was always surprised that something like OMNICC was not already in game. It is not like it would be something that would have been hard to add.<br /><br />I don't use any chat, friend, auction or mail addons, that probably is what is keeping my list smaller than yours.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-87168164549844050132014-06-12T22:30:06.884-04:002014-06-12T22:30:06.884-04:00FYI - I read that the OmniCC functionality will be...FYI - I read that the OmniCC functionality will be included in WoD so I can retire one add-on at that point, at least.<br /><br />I run DBM, of course, but I generally don't actively use the timers... when learning a fight I'll use them a bit more but after a while I just do the fight. I'm sure I respond to the sounds, though, even if just subconsciously.<br /><br />I used to run well over 100 add-ons but when MoP hit I cleaned a bunch out so I'm currently at 80 in Curse... probably 55 or so actual add-ons (DBM has multiple entries, Altaholic has a bunch, etc... dependencies).<br /><br />I run a smaller set of add-ons on my second account just to keep it light, here are the ones I use there:<br /><br />Ion (bars & macros)<br />Altaholic<br />Auctionator<br />Bagnon<br />Chatter<br />Corkit<br />DBM<br />Decursive<br />Friend Groups<br />Friends4Ever<br />FriendsShare Resurrection<br />(yes, I might have a thing about organized friend lists)<br />ItemLevelDisplay<br />MySales<br />Omen<br />Outfitter<br />Panda<br />Postal<br />QuestGuru<br />RatingBuster<br />Recount & Skada<br />SavedInstances<br />TellMeWhen<br />Titan Panel<br />Vuhdo<br /><br />... not exactly a small list but a fraction of my full list.<br /><br />Most of the other add-ons I use are either cosmetic (things like Quartz or Tipsy), make decisions simpler for me (VendorBait), give me additional info (Prospect Me) or are only really useful for higher-end raiding (RaidChecklist, SEF). There are a couple of dozen others I run but probably not worth mentioning.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-89326946987021692072014-06-04T10:38:06.983-04:002014-06-04T10:38:06.983-04:00And here I was thinking I used a lot. lol
This wo...And here I was thinking I used a lot. lol<br /><br />This worked a little as my spring cleaning, but I usually keep a tight ship anyway so did not have a lot of addons I did not really feel I needed.<br /><br />No map ones for me, no mog ones for me, no atlas loot or quest helper stuff, nothing that I feel really adds nothing to the game for me.<br /><br />But each person has different needs. A friend who is into the pet battles has to have over 20 pet addons alone. I am happy with 1 or 2.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-48511655502513234272014-06-04T10:35:48.347-04:002014-06-04T10:35:48.347-04:00@PvP Anon
I believe the default in game announcem...@PvP Anon<br /><br />I believe the default in game announcements are decent for anyone that is already a raider. They will know what those announcements mean so they can use them. Like you said, in heroic you might want more, but for normal they are fine. But only fine for raiders. They still do not help the people that need them most, the non raiders.<br /><br />Trust me, I can tell you the in game ones are completely useless because of the number of people I have dragged into normal and needed to yell on vent over and over 100 times STOP DPSING THE BOSS and they still do not stop. Maybe the game sounds were too loud and that is why they did not hear me, but 100% for sure the game did not tell them to stop, because they never do.<br /><br />When all is said and done they say, I did not know we had to stop attacking him and I could not hear vent over the game sounds.<br /><br />That means, without a shadow of a doubt, the in game system DOES NOT do the job.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-73412643942798182102014-06-04T10:24:38.932-04:002014-06-04T10:24:38.932-04:00Oh I noticed, when I tanked without DBM that day I...Oh I noticed, when I tanked without DBM that day I saw some announcements. It is there but it is not very helpful. As far as the in game one goes it is best described as "a day late and a dollar short" when it comes to helping raiders.<br /><br />What you describe and why I say it is not good is best described by an ability of the third boss in ToT. <br /><br />The frost king throws a debuff on people, when he is not empowered it is no biggie, the person stands alone and gets healed through it. When he is empowered and does it it throws the debuff on people and the in game thing turns the borders of your screen blue, like ice, and your screen gets a blue screen.<br /><br />Now for someone that raids this is perfect. We most likely read about the fight and understand that effect means we need to share that debuff and need to stack with a couple of people and all of us need to be healed through it. To someone that did not read the fight, does not raid normally, or never saw anything like that before, it means nothing, or as someone in the raid once said "holy shit my whole screen just went blue, if I crash don't kick me". It was good for a laugh, but the in game notifications are just not enough. They are most definitely not DBMs which is what the in game notifications need to be.<br /><br />TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-13420912358492951212014-06-04T08:06:36.037-04:002014-06-04T08:06:36.037-04:00I could maybe get rid of half a dozen or so that I...I could maybe get rid of half a dozen or so that I'm actually not using, but the rest are enabled.<br /><br />I use TSM which has quite a few modules.<br />MogIt and DBM have several modules.<br />UI is all custom with: Bartender4, X-Perl, SexyMap, Mapster, TidyPlates.<br />I also use a lot of brokers with ChocolateBar to put info at the top and bottom of my UI.<br />Use a few addons for professions.<br />A couple Pet Battles addons.<br />Plus a lot of other miscellaneous stuff.<br /><br />It adds up quickly. I could probably use with a spring cleaning though to get rid of some addons that I use but don't really "need".Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-77058688739398685282014-06-04T07:30:34.176-04:002014-06-04T07:30:34.176-04:00Indeed. You have to monitor your - or someone else...Indeed. You have to monitor your - or someone else's - debuffs or buffs manually, but, first, you'd likely do it anyway if you really want to do well - on Nazgrim's fight, I am always watching his buffs to know just how much time I have until he switches to / from defensive stance - and, second, that's not every fight. Maybe every other fight, or even less frequent.<br /><br />I think the default UI is enough for anything up to heroic. Definitely good enough for flex yet alone LFR.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-87182720157061381862014-06-04T07:18:14.937-04:002014-06-04T07:18:14.937-04:00Actually the game has some DBM-like functionality ...Actually the game has some DBM-like functionality built in these days... most people writing about the subject just wouldn't know because they never play without add-ons! :P<br /><br />During my brief stint of revisiting the game and trying out LFR at the start of the year, with no add-ons, I still kept getting giant raid warnings that the boss was about to do some special attack and warning sounds when I had a debuff. It's obviously not the same level of detail as offered by an add-on, but it's definitely there.Shintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16758343475446510635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-20538449086768038922014-06-04T07:11:00.994-04:002014-06-04T07:11:00.994-04:00I really do not use much for PvP, same ones I use ...I really do not use much for PvP, same ones I use for PvE, but they are not as important. It is not like I am ever going to be able to just stand there and do a rotation in PvP so refreshing dots at the last second is not exactly important.<br /><br />That is annoying as hell. Or even if you chick on someone, you get someone else.<br /><br />It is hell on healing addons if you are a healer. Just imagine how difficult it becomes to heal when you target a heal and it won't go off, because that person is not there, or you target a heal on one person that needed it and another person that doesn't gets it.<br /><br />Blizzard really needs to fix that. I am not sure why something like that is not near the top of their priority list.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-58501805079565759252014-06-04T07:07:03.320-04:002014-06-04T07:07:03.320-04:00You probably do not delete older ones you are not ...You probably do not delete older ones you are not losing. I think if I kept everything I had tried I would be close to that number. I think I had roughtly 44-45 addons going on the old computer and use nearly all of them.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-89883355233529826172014-06-04T07:06:06.747-04:002014-06-04T07:06:06.747-04:00Getting older sucks doesn't. lolGetting older sucks doesn't. lolTheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37274799863594762472014-06-04T01:01:37.479-04:002014-06-04T01:01:37.479-04:00Thought I'd add something else...
The biggest...Thought I'd add something else...<br /><br />The biggest thing I hate in Blizzard's stock UI is that bug in raid frames which sometimes makes them unclickable after someone drops out or joins while you are in combat. I spent a lot of time writing logging hooks trying to find the cause of this (I am a dev, I take pleasure doing things like that) and the issue is absolutely inside Blizzard's code (and yes, it reproduces without addons just great). The problem is, I can't fix it, because I can't replace Blizzard's code even though I can see most of it in the files - the client just overwrites the changes. The issue is such that it can't be solved by creating an addon that would filter what's fed into Blizzard's code either, which is a pity. Sadly, the raid frames had this bug for years. It would have been great if they fixed it in WoD, although I am not optimistic.<br /><br />That's one of the places where sometimes I wish I had an addon for raid frames.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-36508417353733169982014-06-04T00:52:28.329-04:002014-06-04T00:52:28.329-04:00Wow. :-)
That's what I like about PVP - arena...Wow. :-)<br /><br />That's what I like about PVP - arenas teached me to play without addons. The big boys in the tournaments can't use them so they popularize the idea and, well, I like it.<br /><br />The only addons I use since end of LK are OmniCC and Recount. Plus a couple of macros for arenas to reposition / resize arena frames, etc. It's liberating.<br /><br />That said, I am not a raider (my progress is 1/14 hc with PUGs), so my needs are different from yours.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-23762365331568104772014-06-03T19:54:57.592-04:002014-06-03T19:54:57.592-04:00Curse says I have 106 addons installed...Curse says I have 106 addons installed...Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-84906339883536095002014-06-03T17:06:14.935-04:002014-06-03T17:06:14.935-04:00Ha! that's actually why I have Weak aura's...Ha! that's actually why I have Weak aura's. I've found in my "old age" I was missing my debuffs falling off so now it flash's a big picture of my bomb or buff tat I need to cast at me to basically say "hey grandpa put up your bomb already shesh" Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-54540969976678242912014-06-03T15:46:17.297-04:002014-06-03T15:46:17.297-04:00That is maybe half of what I normally use. Oddly ...That is maybe half of what I normally use. Oddly enough I like a clear screen and hate having clutter and believe it or not, my screen is pretty clear. I have things scaled so small that most people would ask "how the hell can you read anything".<br /><br />Sadly in recent months my eyes have started to catch up to my age and I've needed to start scaling things a little larger than I am used to so I can read them. Timers mostly.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-49807813012114311892014-06-03T13:49:57.630-04:002014-06-03T13:49:57.630-04:00wow you do have a lot of addon's :) I just loo...wow you do have a lot of addon's :) I just looked at my curse thingy and I'm really only running 6 that I use and two are for loot management. DBM, recount, weakaura's and tidy plates the last two are the EPGP addons I guess I'm a minimalist and a bit lazy :PTigginoreply@blogger.com