tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post4801633349739531521..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: These are Not the Hunters You are Looking ForTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-59006901358295640112015-11-13T09:59:22.355-05:002015-11-13T09:59:22.355-05:00I agree, 4 per attack will be nice, sure, but it w...I agree, 4 per attack will be nice, sure, but it will not be much in the long run. That is why I did not even consider it as a focus generator.<br /><br />It will all be about the tuning, if it turns out that DB is indeed the focus generator, they will either tweak their attack speed or increase the focus you get from an attack to make it work.<br /><br />I actually got to be pretty okay at it, keeping ST over 90% most of the time and in the upper 90s many fights. But just because I got decent at it doesn't mean I found it fun.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-82652122998928804292015-11-12T15:57:06.822-05:002015-11-12T15:57:06.822-05:00True. But now DB is a core ability and not a talen...True. But now DB is a core ability and not a talent. I don't think 4 Focus per attack is enough. But it's up for 8 seconds and it has a 10 second CD so it sounds like we will just have DB up pretty much constantly. I do agree though, I would rather have an ability I can use on demand to generate a known amount of Focus instead of DB, but the idea sounds interesting. How well they implement it and how well it works has yet to be determined.<br /><br />I actually like the ST mini-game LOL! Not too happy about having to stand still for AS - just too used being mobile.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942440850950953231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-75987475128656512292015-11-12T14:48:57.703-05:002015-11-12T14:48:57.703-05:00Dire beast has always generated focus. What I am ...Dire beast has always generated focus. What I am talking about is a focus regenerating ability that I, the hunter, uses when I need focus. Was cobra shot, now it will be nothing. So they are removing the focus generating shot. That is why I did not mention dire beast. It gave near nothing before, it will still give near nothing now.<br /><br />I like that aimed is now 1.5 instead of 2.5 and unlike most people I do not mind I need to stand still for it either. Seems like a more than fair trade off to not having to worry about that stupid sniper training any longer. I hated sniper training.<br /><br />As for SV, there are too many melee in game as is. There was not need to add 2 more, in the SV hunter and demon hunter. I dislike the change, not because I don't like it but because the game did not need it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-71169912053445787392015-11-12T14:44:55.521-05:002015-11-12T14:44:55.521-05:00He does a fantastic job outlining thing and he doe...He does a fantastic job outlining thing and he does so from a math standpoint which I love. He looks at both feel and practicality. Can't beat that.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-46154631565236206762015-11-12T14:31:53.161-05:002015-11-12T14:31:53.161-05:00They over nerfed it. But now we see why. They ov...They over nerfed it. But now we see why. They over nerfed it so no one would play it and then people would "hopefully" put up less of a fight when they were switched to melee.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-46749671931305736042015-11-12T14:31:01.039-05:002015-11-12T14:31:01.039-05:00Focus management is usually were I lose DPS when I...Focus management is usually were I lose DPS when I screw up. It is the key to doing well. It is the fun part of the rotation really, at least to me.<br /><br />I only wish that survival would have been a tanking spec so we could get instant queue too.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-18774790672483631012015-11-12T12:39:14.094-05:002015-11-12T12:39:14.094-05:00Grumpy, I'm not sure if you saw this or not bu...Grumpy, I'm not sure if you saw this or not but Dire Beast is the focus generator for BM (it will be a core ability)<br /><br />Per the notes about Dire Beast:<br />Dire Beast<br /><br /> 40 yd range, Instant, 10 sec cooldown<br /> Summons a powerful wild beast to attack your target for 8 sec. Each time the beast deals damage, you will gain 4 Focus.<br /> Summoning a beast reduces the remaining cooldown of Bestial Wrath by 15 sec.<br /><br />Actually, I like this change for BM in how we generate focus "and I for one welcome our new insect overlords"! But anyways, yeah I think BM looks promising enough that I will level it. Though, I might regret that once raids come out. Time will tell.<br /><br />MM looks fun for sure. Still not seeing that instant focus dump - makes me sad. But, at least there's L&L that gives me 2 instant cast AS's. Sucks that Aimed Shot is a 1.5 Cast that cannot be cast while moving. Honestly, I'd rather them keep Sniper Training as it is now and let me cast AS's on the move than punish me with a movement impairing ability. I mean, if I wanted to play a Mage, I would... but I don't.<br /><br />As for SV? No thanks! I think people are overly glorifying the days when we couldn't shoot something right in front of our faces and had to be a melee Hunter (at least while leveling). I don't long for those days of being a melee Hunter while I was leveling - those were not fun times for me. If I wanted to play Melee I'd play my DK as my main.<br /><br />"And that's all I have to say about that..."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13942440850950953231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-62581345008144694282015-11-12T10:54:17.389-05:002015-11-12T10:54:17.389-05:00I'm sure that you are aware, Grumpy, but for t...I'm sure that you are aware, Grumpy, but for the sake of others, I wanted to note that The Thrill of the Wild blog has a great first look at all three specs.<br /><br />http://www.thrillofthewild.com/<br /><br />He details many of the problems that you've noted. I always appreciate his take on hunter-related WoW systems and on WoW generally.To Bee or Not to Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10929748357206418382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-16399795399636114682015-11-12T06:38:41.029-05:002015-11-12T06:38:41.029-05:00Multistrike SV during Highmaul was pretty fun too,...Multistrike SV during Highmaul was pretty fun too, sadly it didn't last. Seeing how strong MM is, the nerf wasn't justified. I hope for this playstylo to come back.Rilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09709340351453428073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-45818599071717112902015-11-12T02:35:40.776-05:002015-11-12T02:35:40.776-05:00I fulky agree with your 2 suggestions for fixes. M...I fulky agree with your 2 suggestions for fixes. MM should keep pets (LW being max dmg in raids would be wellcome) and focus should never be passive. Focus management is a big part of our rotation and handling priority targets, and I'd like it to stay this way pretty please. Let's hope the hunter community gives lots of feedback now and during beta.<br /><br />Regarding SV, I'm not sad and dom't feel we lose anything. We're much more going back to the roots, but now featuring actual, non laughable damage!Rilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09709340351453428073noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-38039589210731622222015-11-11T14:35:39.146-05:002015-11-11T14:35:39.146-05:00The only time I think I ever liked survival was in...The only time I think I ever liked survival was in SoO with the 4 piece set when you could get lucky and string 15 or 20 explosive shots in a row because of it. Stuff like that is "fun". Wish blizzard would realize that. One minute chances to proc, that always seem to proc at the wrong time or when you can not do damage, or just as the mob dies, is just not fun for anyone. I think once every 20 seconds would be much better. Just my opinion of course. TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-67034235531399878962015-11-11T13:23:08.620-05:002015-11-11T13:23:08.620-05:00PS. Regarding the new Lock and Load: you're lo...PS. Regarding the new Lock and Load: you're looking at maybe 1 proc per minute. I imagine the point of that portion of the ability is just a nod to the old lock and load. The only significant part should be the explosive charge. Unless they up the percent chance to proc. Deliriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576124406751861955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-22682148547033454462015-11-11T12:15:06.941-05:002015-11-11T12:15:06.941-05:00I watched it all, or listened would be more like i...I watched it all, or listened would be more like it, as it was on in the background. But I did not catch everything.<br /><br />It seems like this expansions is very heavy on the fan service end of things. Which makes me wonder why they would go out of their way to dismantle many specs and completely change many more, when this is seems to be an otherwise fan service expansion.<br /><br />I think people did not understand flanking strike because they did not know what flanking is. I am sure many people understood exactly what the ability was meant to do. At least I did.<br /><br />Muffinus does seem like one of the good guys there and with all the people craving for interaction right now he really seems to be pretty active in a time when you know things have to be hectic for them. I give the guy a thumbs up for sure for the work he has done.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-62592827964373548282015-11-11T11:49:38.887-05:002015-11-11T11:49:38.887-05:00I hope so. I don't know how much of blizzcon y...I hope so. I don't know how much of blizzcon you watched, but the Q&A this year, there were a lot of "yes" responses. That is, people saying "hey, could we do ___" and they'd actually say yes. I imagine part of that was because they prescreened most of the questions. But it did make it feel like they were taking a lot more community input into account (see account wide xmog, tri-specs, etc). <br /><br />Some of the changes (like the flanking strike) were just that people were misunderstanding what they were trying to do, i think, so they clarified it, and it looked like a change, but was probably their original intent. <br /><br />This doesn't have much of anything to do with this post, but since we're talking about responding to the community, I just want to mention how much I love Jeremy Feasel / Muffinus. I dont' think his job has much of anything to do with combat, but the parts of the game he works on, he seems to really listen to, and deliver on what we really beg for (he headed up the gara quest, and the 6.2 fel rangari fight for the fel wolf tame). And I've seen him recently asking for suggestions and talking to hunters re: new pet possibilities in Legion.Deliriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576124406751861955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-40895917896791699042015-11-11T11:19:22.163-05:002015-11-11T11:19:22.163-05:00Hunters used mana when I started, I never thought ...Hunters used mana when I started, I never thought I would get used to focus after having used mana for my entire time playing a hunter. As it turns out, I ended up loving focus. Took some getting used to of course and it still has its downsides compared to mana, but it ended up okay.<br /><br />I am really hoping that this turns out to be another case like that. Were it sounds scary but isn't as bad it we make it out to be. But this time around it is not just the resource changing, it is the entire class changing, and that is, well, scary. It makes me feel like I am losing the class I love as no spec will ever play like what I have been playing for years. Even the change from mana to focus at least a hunter still was a hunter.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-61619608412321378282015-11-11T10:56:22.258-05:002015-11-11T10:56:22.258-05:00My first max level toon was a BM hunter and it'...My first max level toon was a BM hunter and it's hard to imagine the spec not having a spammable focus generator whenever you need it.<br /><br />In WoD I have mained as destruction warlock, and the warlock post essentially reads: Overall we are very happy with how destruction plays. So we are removing the execute ability, changing the secondary resource, and adding more RNG to how you generate that secondary resource. Have fun.<br /><br />I hope all this gets fleshed out more as we see more talents and artifact abilities, and I especially hope they take beta feedback seriously and make significant changes as needed.Arthurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-27606358590907291032015-11-11T10:56:11.642-05:002015-11-11T10:56:11.642-05:00The "control" you mentioned is part of w...The "control" you mentioned is part of what separated the good player from the bad one. When I have issues with my numbers one of the first things I look at is how I am handling my focus. Am I capping? Am I too low when the big move comes off cooldown? Do I over spend? Do I not cast enough smaller stuff? Blah blah blah. Handling focus, for me, is the difference between doing 100K on a fight or 70K on it sometimes.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-70042113430038243722015-11-11T10:53:57.597-05:002015-11-11T10:53:57.597-05:00And you forgot they are adding more pets to demono...And you forgot they are adding more pets to demonology and beast mastery will usually have at least 2 pets out, maybe even more. So add all that to holy paladins, survival hunters and now demon hunters in melee and an already over crowded area is going to get worse.<br /><br />Forgive me for saying this, but what the fuck is blizzard thinking, I mean really.<br /><br />If you feel like you are being played like an idiot, how do you think us hunters feel? No one, not even people at blizzard, has a clue why they are doing this to all the classes. None of it was needed. Changes, some, tweaks, surely, but not overhauls on all classes.<br /><br />Artifact weapons could end up being a huge mistake, at least as they are released as announced. If something is not done with them it will be the "garrison" of legion. People with one character or one spec will love them but people with alts will hate them.<br /><br />I agree with you, I just want to play the way I like playing, but sadly that no longer seems an option. Blizzard is now sending people on the path they want them to take and we no longer have options.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-63910389875760306062015-11-11T10:29:15.522-05:002015-11-11T10:29:15.522-05:00I agree, if this was something completely new, it ...I agree, if this was something completely new, it looks good. But because it is changing, and effectively removing, what is already there. I am not so keen on it.<br /><br />I was thinking about that with the shaman. I just finished switching my shaman from elemental as an offspec to enhancement. Now I have to go back again. ~sigh~TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-978891659486738382015-11-11T10:07:36.255-05:002015-11-11T10:07:36.255-05:00Removing the focus-generator and making it passive...Removing the focus-generator and making it passive removes control from the player, which is exactly the opposite of what they said they intended for dps classes.<br /><br />This change, more than any other, is one that need to be reverted.Solahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193184689961780585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-26494698501046669342015-11-11T09:57:06.280-05:002015-11-11T09:57:06.280-05:00I've never tried survival on my hunter. But I ...I've never tried survival on my hunter. But I never actually thought they'd go through with making it melee. I don't like melee dps at all. Also, they're adding another melee dps (Demon Hunter), they're pushing holy paladin into melee once again, they're making the survival hunter melee... what's up with that, how many melee can you have in there?<br />Survival hunters will not fail - they will either be OP in pve or in pvp, they have to, to justify the change.<br /><br />That being said, I'm very skeptical about everything Legion. I think I no longer trust Blizzard to try to balance things. For them it's perfectly fine to have just one choice of a class for a certain activity.<br />I'm looking at all these changes, even to my own class and spec and I don't get the changes. I don't get how they can take one class that they say is most aligned with their vision of all the classes and completely change it. And they do this thing - they remove things from one class because reason X and then they give it to another class. Why do they do this, why isn't everything aligned, have some sense?<br />I feel like I'm being played for an idiot. Just look at holy paladin, a healer that's supposed to be in melee but not do anything in melee like hitting the boss or anything. I'm not sure how it'll work out, but I'm thinking on how I healed my team in pvp with one ranged and one squishy melee, I can't stick to any of them, I can't run between them, it's suicide.<br /><br />I don't get Blizz anymore. Wait, no, I don't trust them anymore. In the past, I've always trusted them to make changes that play out well in the end but this trust is no longer warranted. They mess up classes and specs and they leave them that way for an entire expansion.<br /><br />And yeah... artifacts... Ii'm really not sure, I really want to keep doing what I did up to now, have a great pve tank spec and a great pvp healing spec... <br /><br />That's all I get out of Legion - more of a plea - I want to play like I've been playing for years, I don't want to be told it's wrong. I don't want them to tell me I should roll a different alt for pvp. I don't want them to tell me how I'm supposed to play my alts. I just want to play the way I want. Sigh.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-76968414626329123392015-11-11T09:55:05.850-05:002015-11-11T09:55:05.850-05:00If Hunters didn't already exist and this was a...If Hunters didn't already exist and this was a completely new class, I would love the design and different identities of the three specs.<br /><br />But it is not a new class and all of the many, many hunters who already love their class are going to have a hard time with this many changes.<br /><br />Blizzard have risked alienating a massive number of players with these changes and I don't have a lot of faith in them pulling it off.<br /><br />On the plus side my main, Elemental Shaman, has gained Maelstrom (basically focus) so the playstyle you want might be there instead ;-)Solahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193184689961780585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-36903149026120365602015-11-11T09:02:15.630-05:002015-11-11T09:02:15.630-05:00The ability to constantly be doing something is on...The ability to constantly be doing something is one of, if not the, reason I love being a hunter. I like a very active play style. I do not like the sit and wait approach, I do not like the long cast time approach, I do not like the wait on things and pop everything at once approach. I like the fast paced make a decision quick approach. It is what makes hunters such an attractive class to me.<br /><br />It is also why if my hunter goes bye bye, as it sure seems to now, I would most likely go full on tank or healer. As those are the only other play styles that have that split second decision making game style. I might lean more toward tank because as least they do not have cast times.<br /><br />I don't so much mind that hunters are undergoing changes again, we have experienced more than any other class ever has already so I am used to it, but the fact that not even one spec resembles the hunter that has been in game for over 11 years thus far is what is disheartening. At least one spec should still play like the hunter I have come to know and love.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-65687980821393152562015-11-11T08:38:14.344-05:002015-11-11T08:38:14.344-05:00They should have not completely redesigned all thr...They should have not completely redesigned all three specs. Mess with one, tweak around the other two, but do not completely redesign all three at one time and leave none even remotely resembling the class as it once was. I, personally, would not have minded as much if at least one spec was left being the hunter I have played for what, 8 years now.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-16524265326983706442015-11-11T08:35:31.844-05:002015-11-11T08:35:31.844-05:00I would be absolutely fine with a pet for MM that ...I would be absolutely fine with a pet for MM that did nothing but generate threat and did no damage. As long as it could out threat me and I could MD to it if need be.<br /><br />It does not need to do damage, it just needs to be there to assist me. For spirit bond, for masters call, for holding aggro. Things like that.<br /><br />You sounds like me, but don't quit, try something else. I find tanks and healers to be the only other things in game that have that fast paced game play. Sure they are not ranged and with no pet, but maybe you can find some fun with them. I do understand however. If I could not play my hunter, even if I might switch to do something else, I would leave soon too. I want my hunter back, not this aberration they left in its place.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.com