tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post4796063655671734555..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: So I Can Get Valor From Some PvP but Not From Some PvE? Where is the Logic Blizzard?TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-10758743076891224472018-07-09T09:48:10.075-04:002018-07-09T09:48:10.075-04:00It appears as though spent lots of time and effort...It appears as though spent lots of time and effort in your blog. 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On my main I will collect valor to get stronger and I would have no use for even 710 gear, but this will not entice me to run my alts who could use that gear if they had it. Having nice gear for valor would make me run alts, at least the one dungeon a day and a few mythics a week. <br /><br />So yes, the lack of gear is a glaringly obvious oversight on their part, for non raiders at least, as my alts are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-50992369512733696632015-10-29T11:12:49.539-04:002015-10-29T11:12:49.539-04:00"the glaringly obvious fact that blizzard has..."the glaringly obvious fact that blizzard has completely screwed up the addition of valor without adding valor gear"<br /><br />This is not obvious, glaring, or really a screw-up at all. This version of valor is intended to solve two of blizzard's big participation problems: 1) nerf HFC for casual guilds struggling to progress, and 2) push raiders into non-raid content to repopulate it.<br /><br />Neither of these is accomplished by providing purchasable side-grade or same-as-raid items. While I agree it would be fun to gear alts in raid-equivalent gear by running some heroics, it won't make heroic Archimonde any easier for my raid team. Nor will it compel most heroic and above raiders to spend much time in LFR or random heroics.<br /><br />In my opinion, your frustration with this particular issue is personal, not really a reasonable criticism of Blizzard's implementation.Onwukahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05572301144897242260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-84629230816064033272015-10-29T11:00:00.023-04:002015-10-29T11:00:00.023-04:00I agree completely. What I was trying to say, but ...I agree completely. What I was trying to say, but didn't very well, is that Blizz took a stand on LFR gear at the beginning of WoD, and the reason they gave for essentially stripping gear out of LFR was to ease the burden on the raid teams who were complaining that they felt "forced" to run it in order to start out properly geared for progression. (At the time I thought Blizz was coddling the 5% at the expense of the other 95%, and I still think that.)<br /><br />But, right or wrong, having laid out that it was a bad thing for raiders to feel such "awful" pressure to run LFR, Blizz then proceeds to put into place the new valor system, which DOES THE SAME THING THEY SAID WAS BAD. <br /><br />There is apparently no one at Blizz who is capable of seeing in advance the larger game consequences of their design changes. As you said, anyone with half a brain could see that what they did to LFR would yield the situation we have today, and yet Blizz either does not have half a project management brain, or they just don't care. Fiannorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05808195500680797589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-43534136593467603352015-10-29T09:50:41.351-04:002015-10-29T09:50:41.351-04:00I don't disagree with your point. I'm jus...I don't disagree with your point. I'm just trying to say that you can reasonably infer the primary purpose of the patch. Its to bolster flagging systems in a hope to maintain them well enough to endure the beta process of legion. I'm sure the conversation went something like, "Developer1: Battleground queues have show steady increases. We need more people q'ing up for battlegrounds to maintain the pvp playerbase. Developer2: We have targeted the group content as valor sources to reinvigorate those queues. You could do something similar with honor to entice people to participate in this new season. Manager: Building an honor system on its own would double the manhours that we already spent on the valor and it could rush the gearing process for the next season and shorten its life. Lets just tack on valor with pvp and we should get enough participation looking for valor to accomplish the purpose."<br /><br />Its a framing issue. You are viewing it from player perspective. Their goal is in no way to provide reasonable rewards for reasonable effort in similar endeavors. The goal is to use the value of valor (upgrading gear) to entice you to participate in specific forms of play you may not want to do. If they provide reasonably sufficient gains from normal raiding, for instance, then there is less chance you will run, what Blizzard needs you to run.Thuggsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-65405406180383436912015-10-29T09:35:34.137-04:002015-10-29T09:35:34.137-04:00I think that Grumpy is correct in his post in term...I think that Grumpy is correct in his post in terms of the spirit in which valor serves the game itself and I think the two responses to his post here are correct on its actual upcoming mechanics. This is a sort of firewall against self-inflicted wounds. I'm looking forward to this patch -- and yes, I'm still playing, which I wasn't expecting -- but only because it makes things better... not because it makes things right or good.To Bee or Not to Beehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10929748357206418382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-13715579134331984122015-10-29T08:16:13.329-04:002015-10-29T08:16:13.329-04:00Blizzard made a mistake removing tier from LFR, th...Blizzard made a mistake removing tier from LFR, they made a mistake removing the better weapons and trinkets from LFR, and they made the mistake of removing valor and its associated gear.<br /><br />Anyone with even half a brain knew that the participation would drop drastically once they removed any reason to actually go there. Outside of the legendary quest line the only people you will see in LFR are people that only do LFR. And LFR, as I have said a million times, is way over tuned for people with LFR only skill sets.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-7691647027942841772015-10-29T08:08:03.135-04:002015-10-29T08:08:03.135-04:00@Thuggs
I do agree with what you said, as you men...@Thuggs<br /><br />I do agree with what you said, as you mentioned, I have been saying it myself. You need valor as a motivator to get the better players into random content to make those runs smoother and more fun for everyone.<br /><br />My point here is not so much saying that raids "should" offer valor as it is saying that PvP "shouldn't". There is no reason what so ever for a PvP bonus event to offer valor. Not a single one. Valor and PvP have nothing in common. How would you like if doing LFR no longer dropped PvE gear but dropped PvP gear? I am sure that would piss people off a great deal. That is what this is is like for PvP. You PvP to get better PvE gear. It makes no sense.<br /><br />However, even with my belief, and I do still completely believe it, that valor is needed to get people to do lesser content and make it worth repeating, raids should drop valor. Even if it were only 25 per boss. It should give something.<br /><br />@Grumsta<br /><br />You nailed it. LFR is very important to them and without the vast majority of players that actually want to raid doing it, thanks to the removal of tier, the removal of best weapons and best trinkets, and the removal of valor, LFR is suffering. It is suffering hard.<br /><br />Perhaps blizzard should look at the bigger picture here. Put tier sets back, put decent weapons and trinkets back. Stop listening to the 0.07% that think that people that play lesser content have no right to own anything "nice".<br /><br />I never grasped the concept of why it should bother me that someone is wearing the same gear as I am labeled raid finder while mine is labeled heroic. I don't think I will ever understand. I do not care if they have nice tier sets too. Actually I would prefer they had nice tier sets too. It would make recruiting so much easier to have someone come to the guild with a lower level tier set than come to the guild with no tier set at all.<br /><br />If you get upgrades as often as I do, which is near never, then you will quickly run out of things to upgrade and not need to stress about it. But the first weeks I can see myself and many others like me burning themselves out.<br /><br />What you mentioned, the "if" people use it, is why I always preferred the DS/ICC debuff/buff design instead. The valor upgrade system is only good if 1) you have the gear to upgrade and 2) you actually go through the effort to do it. But the blanket 5%, 10% etc, helps everyone. I am all for helping everyone. Again, I do not sign up to the elitist manifesto that no one is allowed good things but myself.<br /><br />As first they did not mention crafted gear, I am glad they added it. Do you believe I am still using a crafted bow because I still have not had one drop for me? Yeah, this expansion sucks major balls, excuse my language.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-13184718057646998432015-10-29T04:37:21.555-04:002015-10-29T04:37:21.555-04:00Spot on. This is all about Blizzard hitting a KPI,...Spot on. This is all about Blizzard hitting a KPI, it is not about helping guilds clear more raid bosses. That's incidental to them: the carrot they dangle to get us to play the bits they need us in. LFR is clearly very important to Blizz, probably because it's content that everyone has to do, especially new starters, and they can't afford for it to put people off [pregnant pause to appreciate the irony of that statement].<br /><br />My initial worry was that I'd burn out trying to do all the Valour-earning activities every week. But the (sad) reality is that new loot drops so infrequently that once I've upgraded my current kit I'll only need to do a few bits each week to keep Valour topped up so I can boost any new gear I get straight away.<br /><br />I'm determined to not let yet more poor design decisions by Blizzard undermine my enjoyment of something that might help my guild GET to Archie on Normal, let alone down him :-)<br /><br />This will help our guild *if* enough people in our team are motivated enough to use it. Sadly there are a hardcore of non-potters that can't even be bothered to get 695 T2 gear, so I doubt they'll be running much of the Valour content :-/<br /><br />My big relief was to see that crafted gear can be upgraded through Valour. Blizz can see sense occasionally it seems.<br /><br />I'm looking forward to 6.2.3 going live and getting groups into LFR like we did in SoO, and running guild dungeon teams. It'll be like T2 in the first few weeks, and that was great fun.Grumstanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-80348551125560741492015-10-28T17:34:52.911-04:002015-10-28T17:34:52.911-04:00Interestingly, Blizz is re-instituting something t...Interestingly, Blizz is re-instituting something they said was bad for the game. That is, when they made the changes to LFR at the start of WoD, they said one of the main reasons for doing so was that the gear rewards were too high, which was forcing raid team members to feel like they had to run LFR in order to gear up for their own raid nights. <br /><br />Now, it seems, the need for valor upgrades will force raid teams to do the same thing. *shakes head*Fiannorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05808195500680797589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-14514517299512284192015-10-28T16:03:18.071-04:002015-10-28T16:03:18.071-04:00Grumpy, I believe the reasons are pretty clear upo...Grumpy, I believe the reasons are pretty clear upon close examination. You stated that clearly everyone, especially the raiders could benefit from the valor upgrades, and so must upgrade. The impetus is very very high. Then look at specific similarities between the activities.<br /><br />All the activites involve grouping up to do LF group content (and mythics). They are gating the valor behind group content to force people to participate at higher rates in that type of content. They need to boost the numbers queueing to stem the lopsided times. The additional benefit is exactly what you stated in a previous post, more competent and highly geared players are participating in group content raising the numbers of positive outcomes and quicker execution on average. They need those raiders in group content to bolster the systems which feel to me if not in the ICU, is at the hospital in the Emergency Department.Thuggsnoreply@blogger.com