tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post4164370745924636709..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Monday Random ThoughtsTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-55395267835893943402013-07-31T12:48:50.671-04:002013-07-31T12:48:50.671-04:00That is what it comes down to. When the time come...That is what it comes down to. When the time comes that you want to do more, you have to learn. Either by someone teaching you, you teaching yourself, or learning in game.<br /><br />Someone teaching you in game is always possible. I was taught and I've taught many. There are decent people out there that will work with you. Teaching yourself is always possible too as there are a million and one resources out there to choose from. The one thing I do see is teaching in game. There does not seem to be a viable option for you to learn without some sort of help. The game does not teach on its own.<br /><br />As james said however, if you are playing everything solo, who cares. As long as you are happy, there is no reason to get better.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-60771105667541121432013-07-31T12:12:08.471-04:002013-07-31T12:12:08.471-04:00@Anon
It's same world, but different sides. A ...@Anon<br />It's same world, but different sides. A lot of people didn't do group content. Because they didn't want to or didn't know about them. Or didn't care to get involved. Or whatever. It's how it was.<br />You wanted to tank some heroic, people asked you for your defense rating and whatnot. You had to know.<br />A lot of people didn't do max level heroics. People were fine with that. Fine with them being outside of their reach. Fine with raids being outside of their reach. Those who wanted to them, learned. From others or by themselves.<br /><br />You happened to find some group that decided they want you to do something for them. Otherwise you would've remained clueless and if you had ever wanted to get there on your own you would've had to learn.<br /><br />You were an offtank. Tagging along, learning from others. Exactly because eyou weren't all that interested.<br /><br />What I said was - if you wanted to do things, you learned. You didn't want to group so you didn't. You didn't want to MT a raid, so you didn't. Others wanted you and they taught you.<br /><br />There is no question that you can learn at 90. But before, if you wanted to do dungeons and raid you had to learn. You eventually had to learn as well. Now, this learning thing seems odd to people because they had no need of it. And still don't.<br />---<br />TL,DR:<br />If you see my original post: the point was that people just play and for what they do it's ok. That we shouldn't expect them to be any better because there's nothing asking them to get better.<br />Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-46043994675516112542013-07-31T11:21:09.912-04:002013-07-31T11:21:09.912-04:00But in the end it did teach you. ;) Some would te...But in the end it did teach you. ;) Some would team up, some would just avoid them. Others like myself would try to do them alone and then look them up. To each their own in that case really.<br /><br />Awesome, have to love the "we are going to make you a tank" people. I've done that to a few people in my life too. Oh, a warrior, well I have this nice BoE shield, I'll give it to you if you tank for me. lol<br /><br />You got lucky with people that were willing to teach. I too was lucky that I got into a group that was willing to teach me as well. After doing so well in 5 mans, even if it took forever to make groups, I thought I was good enough to raid. To my surprise I was dead last on the raid team, but they took me along anyway and taught me. I had the tools because I found things like throtbot on my own before hand and had read about addons and such. But if it were not for the people willing to teach me I would have never become a raider.<br /><br />I think the opposite, I think looking up information to explain something you don't understand is a healthy thing to do. It is what I believe any rational person would do. If they do not know how to do something, they look to learn.<br /><br />I agree with you that I do not believe that teaching a first time player to become a raider is a good idea. But that is what blizzard wants to do pushing everyone into the LFR for gear. Even if you do not want to raid you most likely do want to get stronger. If the LFR is the only option to getting stronger, it is forcing people to raid. Then those people think they are now raiders. And while you can argue they are, in the LFR sense, they are just not ready for normal mode. <br /><br />I think I could get behind your idea of closing the door, so to speak, to raiding until they get the proving grounds done. That would keep people from hitting 90 and thinking, okay, this is the end of the game, I am going straight into it. Which really is what it seems like blizzard is trying to tell them. They are not giving them the chance to learn. They are saying, welcome to 90, now get raiding.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-79190352540267701352013-07-31T10:44:39.392-04:002013-07-31T10:44:39.392-04:00My experience was different, I basically played BC...My experience was different, I basically played BC as a single-player game, getting 2 toons to max level. I *did* learn the "those areas with the swirly doors? Not for me..." lesson pretty early but that didn't lead to grouping, or reading about it. I just kept happily playing the game as a single-player game, exploring and questing and killing stuff.<br /><br />In Wrath I actually hooked up with a guild (randomly, knew guilds existed but had no interest, but got chatting with someone questing in my area and one thing led to another) which had me pretty quickly (month or two later) tanking Naxx on my druid (the toon that had been leveling when I met the future guildie). I basically tanked some of Naxx, best I can recall, before having run an instance or even being aware that there were out-of-game resources ("Do you have a tank toon?" "Uh, I have a druid but it's a cat." "That'll do, push the bear button instead and c'mon in."). They talked me through enough for that particular run (they were just starting out, wasn't a clear or anything) and introduced me to Thotbott (sp?) as my first out-of-game resource and things kind of took off from there. That got me interested in grouping which led to 5-mans and raiding. By ToC (so, the next raid tier) that same druid was tanking a server-first >45 attempts remaining heroic clear. I still wasn't very good (and the other tank was stellar) but apparently I was good enough. It's not impossible to learn how to raid at max level. LFR might be a roadblock to that learning process but it can't be fixed by changing the leveling experience.<br /><br />Note, too, that it wasn't MY reaction to go out-of-game to read resources, it never would have occured to me (it's not like I went out of game for whatever other single-player RPGs I was playing at the time)... they had to tell me about it. My first instinct was to figure it out in-game and I don't think that's such a bad thing. The first time anyone without a support structure encounters an instance portal (and probably dying quickly to the trash just inside the door, &/or running away screaming), I suspect they do the same thing that I did... "whatever the hell THAT was, I'm not ready for it"... and they move on. The first instinct probably isn't to go research it.<br /><br />I don't think someone immediately going out and researching when they encounter something unknown is healthy. You're turning a game into work at that point. For progression end-game content, sure, but we're talking utter noobs here. I wouldn't even expect someone in a guild or with friends in the game to have a similar experience to mine but I'm glad I "grew up" the way I did... there are times to read about the game but there are times where you should just play it and learn your lessons that way.<br /><br />I don't think training a first-time player to be a raider as they level is a good idea. I think they should focus on providing enough enjoyable content to get them to max level and THEN send then an in-game note like "So, you've hit max level, congrats! You may have heard about this thing called raiding, if that sounds interesting check out Proving Grounds and once you've learned the skills well enough to reach Silver or Gold level you should be ready to start learning to raid!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-73891333122086955812013-07-31T07:02:46.564-04:002013-07-31T07:02:46.564-04:00Excellent reply, it could be a great post in its o...Excellent reply, it could be a great post in its own if I C&Ped it and let everyone read it.<br /><br />It is so true that we started in a different time, a time where we had to be better because the content demanded it, a time were we were forced to look things up because we did not want to be caught unprepared and get a bad reputation.<br /><br />I think I have written about that more than a dozen times in some way or another, how the game has stopped developing new "raiders" and now just makes new "players". And that is where the problem is, I think. The player base has changed, it is not made up of people like you and I that looked things up and wanted to get better, an entire new type of player is playing the game. What happens is, they are still making the raids for us, normals for me, heroics for you, and everyone else is completely left out. Only a very few actually become raiders because they want to try. Most just want to kill stuff nice and easy for fun. Sadly, I have to agree with them, that is how it should be. The game is not the game I started to play 5 years ago or the game others started to play 8 years ago. We can not change that, we only need to adapt ourselves as well. And so does blizzard design team. Can't give people the easy pass throughout the entire game and then brick wall them at the first chance they ever see real content. Lets face it, even normal mods are too hard for 95% of the player base.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-16419222746217986572013-07-31T05:46:37.133-04:002013-07-31T05:46:37.133-04:00I didn't say max level for a reason. Our exper...I didn't say max level for a reason. Our experience was totally different from what it is today. And we keep forgetting that, it seems.<br /><br />We looked at dungeons and entered them and tried to solo them because there was nothing pointing otherwise. We did groups when we could and we gathered the people ourselves. Which fro the start implies we took some responsibility.<br /><br />Yes. People who wanted to do dungeons. Any level. Had to have guts. Had to perform decently. Because there was server rep involved. There was the chance to make friends and do them again. And dungeons were hard. You could wipe in many different ways.<br /><br />So when we wanted to do a dungeon, we knew what we were getting into. And if we felt unsecure we looked it up, read about it beforehand, made sure we had gear, made sure we knew what to do.<br /><br />There is nothing now to put any kind of responsibility on anyone. You don't like it, drop. The dps doesn't matter. Actual content does start max, not like it started for us at level 15+. It's there where they may or may not discover that they are bad. LFR is smae crap as LFD, why should anything be any different? <br /><br />We are different because we played in different times. We wanted to do dungeons and raids so we had to be decent and get info.<br /><br />This is why you think LFR spoiled people and they think they are raiders with crap dps, crap gear, no effort. They don't understand. There was no need to be otherwise. There was nothing they wanted to do that required them to invest effort. Raiding was the first and they came to you and you thought: oh, god. And you're the first to tell them they need to do more, they need better gear, they need to learn to play.<br /><br />I don't think we're that special. It's that we wanted to do something so we had to learn.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-58723209054426667912013-07-30T06:52:09.632-04:002013-07-30T06:52:09.632-04:00Yeah, assassination.
I put myself on dinomancer d...Yeah, assassination.<br /><br />I put myself on dinomancer duty. I was always the first one on him and kept him interrupted. When he was not up I did like you suggested, mostly focused on the big adds and threw in a fan and tempest here and there.<br /><br />I think, as you said, it is the hunter mentality. Mow 'em down. But I even stress to people then, big adds first. That really is the key to the doors. Little adds go down so easy anyway so just mixing in a little AoE takes care of them.<br /><br />I can't wait for darkmoon for that 5. I am in the thick leather phase on that character now and I am getting rugged, so that means I need to buy some or go back. I really hate that feeling. Just wish they would update it some.<br /><br />Never thought of bling. I never get them on my main characters but my mains are all maxed so that might be why. Nice idea, thanks.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-27545864541792138512013-07-30T06:47:22.716-04:002013-07-30T06:47:22.716-04:00Sounds like a plan. Just hope that 5.4 is not soo...Sounds like a plan. Just hope that 5.4 is not soon, because for the next 3 weeks it seems we will have people on vacation because of summer. I am not sure if I will continue lockouts because I am not sure if I have people capable of subbing.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-39504199329499876492013-07-30T06:46:09.085-04:002013-07-30T06:46:09.085-04:00I stepped into my first dungeon without even havin...I stepped into my first dungeon without even having a group because I did not know it was meant for 5 people. lol<br /><br />I would say I looked things up on my own when I started to get into the game. My second character, which was also my second hunter, around level 30 or so. So yes, by the time I was max level I had every addon I should have and I had a basic idea how to play my class.<br /><br />I do agree however that not everyone is like me. I looked for guides because I wanted to do my best. I've always done that with any game I played. But most don't. TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-55232061791942171942013-07-30T06:15:54.956-04:002013-07-30T06:15:54.956-04:00As a rogue on Horridon, aoe dps really isn't w...As a rogue on Horridon, aoe dps really isn't what you should try for, you don't mention spec but unless you're assassination it's going to be pretty awful and even as assass it's pretty low compared to other classes, especially if it's lowish hp adds that die fast, since you have ramp up time spamming FOK to get poisons up and combo points to use on crimson tempest, then they're doing dot damage so it takes a while for those to amount to much. Best thing you can do for your group imo is single target dps on the important adds, so Dinomancer each door, Wastewalkers 1st door, Priests 2nd (plus get those kicks off!), Warlords 3rd, Beast Shaman 4th. The other adds really aren't that much of a problem, if you help burn down the major adds each door the more aoe focused classes should be able to deal with the others. <br />As a hunter main, I know how it feels, you think 'it's a bunch of adds, now I aoe them all down!' right? Different for melee, a few cleaves are good but mainly you're better off focusing on single targetting them down 1 by 1 imo, throw out a little aoe only if it doesn't reduce your single target much, like if you're zerging down a venom priest it's low and you have 5 combo points pop crimson tempest on the other adds, but then go back to single target on your next priority. <br />It may not seem like you're doing as much, but honestly 1 of the adds 100% dead is better than 3 adds 40% dead, it's 1/3 of the sand traps, venom volleys, frozen orbs or lightning totems gone and that'll be a significant effect on the raid's damage taken. <br />This is how my guild finally got it down first. We had everybody as soon as the first of the 3 'big' adds came out on a door switch and burn it hard, then aoe a bit, add tank would mark one of the 2 big adds that came out together and we'd burn that, then usually dinomancer would spawn and we'd burn him to 50%, shut the door, last big add, then finish the dinomancer and finally aoe the small adds down. <br /><br />Leveling leatherworking....I have every profession maxed and leatherworking was the absolute worst by far! I'd honestly just stick to keeping your skinning current, store whatever you skin as you level, then every now and then when you're a good few levels above the mobs you need leather from, go back and be able to aoe big bunches down fast. Plus pick out your 'problem spots', those places in the leveling where it's a stupid amount of mats or difficult to get ones, and use the Darkmoon Faire +5 profession quest at that point. Also try and grab the Blingtron daily on that char, there's a reasonably decent drop rate on Fire Spirit, which gives you +3-5 to primary professions. I'm 99.9% certain these don't drop if your professions are maxed, which is why if you look at Wowhead it says 2% drop rate. On my lowbie alts and those leveling professions, I seem to get them every day or 2. Katzbalger-Arthas (US)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-41841213004045190362013-07-30T01:07:37.792-04:002013-07-30T01:07:37.792-04:00First, do it. Then you can complain if it feels de...First, do it. Then you can complain if it feels deserved or not, k?Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-26033207179052118752013-07-30T00:54:49.891-04:002013-07-30T00:54:49.891-04:00In a group with a raid leader, yes. In a random an...In a group with a raid leader, yes. In a random anything? No. We know about addons because we've been playing for so long. Don't tell me you didn't step into any dungeon before having recount or skada. What seems natural to us may not even cross someone else's mind. And probably doesn't.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-68483139973968179012013-07-29T18:33:55.264-04:002013-07-29T18:33:55.264-04:00True. I look at it as I know I can do better, hen...True. I look at it as I know I can do better, hence the reason I don't think much of it.<br /><br />Heck, for raiding that showing up thing is probably he hardest part of it. Finding the same 10 people willing to work together week after week is a feat in and of itself. lolTheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-36090360573210548372013-07-29T17:22:39.488-04:002013-07-29T17:22:39.488-04:00well you know “Eighty percent of success is showin...well you know “Eighty percent of success is showing up.” just stop selling yourself short remember there's a ton of people out there that would probably love a chance to do end game raids but can't for some reason or another RL or playtime issues and there are a ton of people that will go back and do this content when its no longer the main raid tier for the first time. that's the curve they are talking about Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-11383357719886095562013-07-29T17:10:21.652-04:002013-07-29T17:10:21.652-04:00And they needed to dig up that much space. ;)And they needed to dig up that much space. ;)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-83333082570286374912013-07-29T17:09:40.104-04:002013-07-29T17:09:40.104-04:00The 250K number was meant on him only, not really ...The 250K number was meant on him only, not really over all. I can do 125, he takes double damage, so 250 would be my guess.<br /><br />I am going to take a look at that post as soon as I am done with replies. I already said that to them. I basically said, if I do 100K what is the difference if I do 100,200. If anything I can make that 200 up by just doing better. The food with not make or break me.<br /><br />I will catch up on enchanting because I have 2 leatherworkers, 2 blacksmiths and 1 tailor also coming up on that server. So it is just a matter of time. I guess I could buy the leather, but I always think of it as a waste of gold to spend money on something that I can easily get myself.<br /><br />I've always had issues with pet aggro as a lock. I changed to the talent you mentioned on the suggestion of a guild mate but have not touched it, besides making my daily cloth, since I have. So maybe I will have better results with it should I start playing it again.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-57005134166348689292013-07-29T17:03:49.047-04:002013-07-29T17:03:49.047-04:00@Tiggi. Point taken I guess.
I just would not co...@Tiggi. Point taken I guess.<br /><br />I just would not consider counting the entire player base because if someone has not intention of doing it, they can you really be "ahead" of them. It is impossible to beat a running when the runner isn't even in the race.<br /><br />@Anon<br /><br />I do think we will have it in the next week or two, if I extend. So it is within our grasp. I think if it were not for a total of 8 weeks wasted (horridon 5 and tortos 3) we would have been done with it already. Every other boss went down the week we first saw it or the week after. Just those two were a bit stubborn.<br /><br />It is all a matter of how you look at it. The stats you said, 53%, if we kill it now, would actually support what I have been trying to say. My group is just average.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-76696236597279200732013-07-29T16:28:45.607-04:002013-07-29T16:28:45.607-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-80376072269757279982013-07-29T16:13:49.456-04:002013-07-29T16:13:49.456-04:00@GE - Yeah, your point does have some mathematical...@GE - Yeah, your point does have some mathematical value (if you count "serious" guilds as those who have downed at least Horridon, at this point 53% have killed Lei Shi, meaning anyone who hasn't is slightly below average) but realistically, you can only do as well as you can do. I (and last I heard, you) still consider killing the end boss in the current tier &/or before the first round of nerfs to be the curve... and that's still in play.<br /><br />I killed LK during the 10% nerf period and was incredibly happy about it, though, so I can admit that the curve is a moving target. I'm still ahead of it in my mind, you might not be in yours, we're both right and both just as wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-86487709425124450362013-07-29T16:03:25.199-04:002013-07-29T16:03:25.199-04:00Oops, wrote up a full reply and then just lost it....Oops, wrote up a full reply and then just lost it. Ah well. Summary below, enjoy the TL;DR (sorta). :)<br /><br />Re: Horridon - probably a tank issue, eating the cone or not resetting stacks.<br /><br />Re: Horridon doors - You know the fight, that's worth 20-30K on a fresh toon even if you "suck" at melee on that fight. I don't know why it makes that much difference but it pretty much does. Also, 250K is crazy high without a lot of gear unless you're avoiding door trash... that would rank for most classes, I believe.<br /><br />Re: Achievement... take pride if you get that achievement, it means you killed the end boss while it was still current. Why would you try to down-talk that being meaningful? I got mine being carried on an alt, I'll reserve the right to ignore MY achievement that I got and I'll celebrate a legitimate one like it's the first one I've gotten.<br /><br />Re: 300 stat food is a crock. 25 stats is, best case, a 0.1% dps increase and is probably going to be less. Tell your buddy in-game to focus on things that will actually make a difference. If you're constantly wiping due to missing enrages by 0.5 (or 0.3) seconds then go ahead, otherwise skip it and invest that money into flasks for all, those actually have some benefit (and I'd be hard-pressed to notice that my flask has dropped off in terms of chart performance and that's 1000 vs 25). Pre-potting and in-fight potting comes way before 300 food in the value to raid calculation. Gah, this discussion just pisses me off and I've already been through that cycle from a Matticus post from a while back.<br /><br />http://www.worldofmatticus.com/the-300-stat-food-question/<br /><br />Moving on.<br /><br />Re: LW catch-up, it sucks if you can't (or won't) buy the leather on the AH. I found even at stupid prices it was better to just buy the leather unless I could get XP from farming the skinnable mobs. Ench is even more annoying unless you're leveling 2 crafting professions at roughly the same time (even 1 won't sustain Ench) and you do end up with a lot of DE gear stuck in the mail between toons.<br /><br />Re: L90 Warlock, my Void Lord (whatever the Supremacy version is called) holds threat just fine for my Destro 'lock on the Island rares and lesser mobs as well, not sure why you'd be having issues with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-20032602273657591052013-07-29T15:48:51.477-04:002013-07-29T15:48:51.477-04:00Well the achievement isn't called "ahead ...Well the achievement isn't called "ahead of the curve of most raiders" is it? The achievement is available to all players thus its ahead of the entire player base. Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-10337603741847122252013-07-29T14:01:20.253-04:002013-07-29T14:01:20.253-04:00I agree. In the end I believe the numbers are usu...I agree. In the end I believe the numbers are usually less than 3% of the player base finishes a raid tier, on normal, last I heard. <br /><br />But that number seems a little skewed looking at it on its base. If 11,000 guilds have finished it on normal there are probably only 15,000 that are even capable of finishing it. <br /><br />As I have not finished it yet, I am behind the curve, and if I do finish it soon, say around 12,000, that still puts be firmly in the bottom part of the guilds that have finished it, again, not actually ahead of the curve.<br /><br />Now I do admit I could be really off on that. I am basing it completely on my opinions only. But in my opinion, most guilds that actively try, even if on a casual setting of 1 day of 10 man like mine normally does, will get it cleared. We will, but we will also have to extend to do so, something we have not done before.<br /><br />I agree with what you say that on average, compared to the compete player base I (and my raid team) might be considered ahead of the curve, but compared to other raiders, my group is about as average as you can get. <br /><br />We usually sit at or near the 50% mark in most raid tiers on normal. If 30,000 guilds cleared a tier, we will be the 15,000th guild to do it. And that is why I basically say we are average, and surely not ahead of any curve.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-38151969978184173032013-07-29T13:20:48.471-04:002013-07-29T13:20:48.471-04:00actully there are only 10,000 maybe 11,000 guilds ...actully there are only 10,000 maybe 11,000 guilds that have killed Lei Shen. lets say there are 2 million players in America ( I don't know exact #) that's ahead of the curve. what you are not is cutting edge. also you have to take your server into account when figuring out how you stand IMO I'd say on a shitty server like that you should actually have gotten the cutting edge achivie lol. I know its crazy but people that finish a raid during its normal progression are not a large portion of the population. See LFR or see Flex raiding. Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-5924113661036035972013-07-29T12:54:47.686-04:002013-07-29T12:54:47.686-04:00I am on a really bad server tiggi. Most servers h...I am on a really bad server tiggi. Most servers have gotten past that horridon hump for the larger percentage.<br /><br />In the end that boss comes down to who gave up and who kept pushing. It took my guild 5 weeks to down it. I don't know about you, but that is surely not "ahead of the curve". Not even in the slightest. If we were actually skilled players we would have downed it the second week at the worst.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-91638701835354151832013-07-29T12:48:46.222-04:002013-07-29T12:48:46.222-04:00That is actually why some people do bad James. Th...That is actually why some people do bad James. They go into the LFR, they push buttons, things die, they think they are doing fine.<br /><br />Most of the time it really is that simple. My horde hunter I do not raid on. It is really slow to gear, it takes me longer to down things. I still want to gear it up because playing effectively is more fun in my opinion and gear helps with that, but even if I am taking my sweet time I am still having fun with it. So all is well right? I agree with that.<br /><br />There is a line there however between having fun and ruining the fun of others.<br /><br />Lets use you and I as an example. I raid normal, you raid heroic. I can get away with a lot of crap you can't. I could be slow to move from something, make a right when I should make a left, do 120K instead of 130K even if 130K is my potential.<br /><br />Now, lets say you need a fill in and I offer to come and do all those same thing. <br /><br />Be a little slow moving from something, moving right when I should have moved left, and am doing less DPS than I am capable of doing which is making it harder to meet the enrage timers. Is it fair to your raid that I am having fun doing a heroic raid when they are wiping because of me? No.<br /><br />There is a time for fun but when your fun ruins the time of 9 or 24 others, you need to put their fun above yours and excuse yourself.<br /><br />So in the case of that person, allowing the group to wipe over and over because they can not heal the amount they should be healing should not be view of as, maybe he is having fun, it should be viewed as, he needs to get better and stop ruining the fun of 9 other people because he refuses to do better.<br /><br />As always, in my opinion. Fun is fine as long as it does not ruin the fun of others.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.com