tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post3997364182716135746..comments2024-03-29T05:19:30.673-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: The Tanaan Entry Experience Should Be a Solo Scenario.TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-54105612056097139582014-09-15T09:14:34.631-04:002014-09-15T09:14:34.631-04:00You make a very good point but I will counter that...You make a very good point but I will counter that with the garrisons. Each garrison is basically its own solo instance. All with its own building, different ones, own characters with their pathing, own herb and ore gardens, own timers, quests, scenarios (invasions) and the fact they are designed so we will stay in them.<br /><br />So if they can not handle, lets say, 1,000,000 people on launch day in tanaan in a solo scenario for a few minutes each, how the hell are they going to handle possibly millions of garrisons running at any given time over the course of an entire expansion?<br /><br />We are, of course, just stating our opinions because we do not know how they are handling it on the back end, but I still stay of the opinion that if they can handle millions of garrisons in their own instances at once, they can handle the tanaan entrance as its own instance. Hence the reason I think they can do solo scenarios.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-78761504618827891712014-09-15T09:08:13.938-04:002014-09-15T09:08:13.938-04:00Harrison jones could have been added in scenarios....Harrison jones could have been added in scenarios. It actually would be a nice way of telling his story and giving us a little history of the game. Putting the two together would actually have been a great idea.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-69296223514562960582014-09-14T01:49:40.448-04:002014-09-14T01:49:40.448-04:00I swear I wrote a long comment when I first the Ta...I swear I wrote a long comment when I first the Tanaan entrance two days ago. Maybe I missed the captcha.<br /><br />Anyway, I do agree that the crowd is going to be a mess, story-wise. Apart from anything else, three other people were waiting with me for one of the named quest mobs to respawn, and those were three of the maybe fifteen people who were there with me. I know what that's going to be like when all the eager beavers of the server zerg through.<br /><br />That, however was as nothing to the twenty or thirty people I caught up with when starting the garrison, all gathered round the architect as if in prayer around a travelling preacher. Most of them weren't reacting or moving. I'm not sure whether they were all AFK or were astrally projecting into their garrison's phase.<br /><br />However, the First Wave people won't mind. The First Wave people are there to be in the First Wave. It's the same reason I didn't mind staring at static rotor blades filling my screen for a full hour at the launch of Mists. I was there for the excitement, not the story. I can get the story on my next alt.<br /><br />Anyway, I think they would have a real problem with that First Wave if they scenario-ed or phased their opening. Giving each player a scenario to himself, with a cast of thousands of mobs in the initial battle by the portal, all occupying memory, all burning CPU cycles, would probably need a lot more hardware than they have available.Gráinnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-82366677850781605972014-09-12T19:08:09.916-04:002014-09-12T19:08:09.916-04:00I was totally surprised by their 180 on scenarios....I was totally surprised by their 180 on scenarios. In addition, I sort of miss the Harrison Jones, every quest has a cut-scene for somethings. This introduction to the zone sounds like a good use for both mechanisms. Elkagorasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868176919786509891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-51685528081188488632014-09-12T18:30:43.966-04:002014-09-12T18:30:43.966-04:00ROTFLMAO
-roo
PS - I didn't plan it that way...ROTFLMAO<br /><br />-roo<br /><br />PS - I didn't plan it that way, but yes, I see what you mean :)-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-57408427333908050162014-09-12T15:40:15.612-04:002014-09-12T15:40:15.612-04:00I'm a pepper, hes a pepper, shes a pepper woul...I'm a pepper, hes a pepper, shes a pepper wouldn't you like to be a pepper too. <br /><br />Don't you remember those commercials? That is what the beginning of the post reminded me of with starting as I'm a hero, you're a hero.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-460550543994879222014-09-12T15:36:42.727-04:002014-09-12T15:36:42.727-04:00Just like me! Epic is as Epic does.... Just like me! Epic is as Epic does.... -abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-602988552769310052014-09-12T15:35:53.376-04:002014-09-12T15:35:53.376-04:00wha'chu mean Willis?
here ya go -
For all ...wha'chu mean Willis? <br /><br />here ya go - <br /><br />For all times <br />Then we are heroes <br />Just this day <br /><br />It does not matter.<br /><br />-roo "yes, that's a hero"-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-79405582004374378082014-09-12T15:35:49.926-04:002014-09-12T15:35:49.926-04:00So very true. That is epic too. And I guess beca...So very true. That is epic too. And I guess because I ramble on with my posts sometimes, way to long, that makes me epic in blizzards eyes. Woohoo.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-34244999909546981512014-09-12T15:32:46.971-04:002014-09-12T15:32:46.971-04:00and merging Alliance and Horde AH's to make th...and merging Alliance and Horde AH's to make the AH feel "EPIC", oh boy, Auntie Tilda feels the surge tonight! <br /><br />-roo "really epic"-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-64071905512909696492014-09-12T11:16:05.051-04:002014-09-12T11:16:05.051-04:00I sometimes wonder about them and their decisions....I sometimes wonder about them and their decisions. But like I mentioned in my second reply to the first post here, I think they are doing it because they believe that seeing a full world is "epic". So they do not want us flying so we see more people in the ground making it "epic". They want us all in the same area doing something we are supposed to be doing solo based on the story to feel "epic". They merged servers to make it feel "epic". They added cross realm zones to make it feel "epic". Basically, they are all caught up on trying to make things seem "epic" through artificially over crowding when it isn't needed that they have completely abandoned immersion, they have completely abandoned game play, they have completely abandoned what the players want, all so they could crowd everyone into one place so it feels "epic".<br /><br />Just an idea on why they are doing it of course. Doesn't not mean I am right. But the tin foil hat does seem to fit here in my opinion and it does sound like a solid reason why they might be saying "damn the story line" and throwing us all together.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-45364134275997821082014-09-12T11:00:15.989-04:002014-09-12T11:00:15.989-04:00What you say makes good sense -- and it makes me a...What you say makes good sense -- and it makes me a tad bit suspicious of their reasoning when they apparently are OK with this part being non-immersive, yet they will not permit flying because it destroys the immersion experience.Fiannorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05808195500680797589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-5550487666393856092014-09-12T09:54:28.914-04:002014-09-12T09:54:28.914-04:00I have no clue what you said, but I do suddenly ha...I have no clue what you said, but I do suddenly have a desire to have a Dr. Pepper.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-28647911630432614732014-09-12T09:53:46.762-04:002014-09-12T09:53:46.762-04:00That is quite possible. None of us really know wh...That is quite possible. None of us really know what is involved on their end with making a solo instance. However, the garrison is its own instance. If that is capable of having millions of people in it at the same time why couldn't a lead in experience?<br /><br />Lets just say, for arguments sake, people all rush the starting zone and all get out within 5 minutes of each other. They will all be in the garrison at the exact same time and that too is basically a solo instance. So if it can handle that it should be able to handle the same amount of lead in instances.<br /><br />Now, to take it further, as time goes on and more people are out and most people will be spending a fair deal of time in their garrison that means it is entirely possible to have more people in their garrisons at the same time than there would be at midnight on release night. If it can handle that... well, you get the idea.<br /><br />So while I agree that is a possible reason they might not do it using linear logic as in one thing should directly compare to another of the same type, I am not sure that is the actual reason.<br /><br />I'd be more likely to believe that blizzard just honestly did not think about making it a solo experience or they wanted everyone to be in one place to make it "seem" epic in their opinion. Remember, this is the company that think "a lot of people in one place" is epic.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-61501926961583495652014-09-11T18:04:47.790-04:002014-09-11T18:04:47.790-04:00It occurred to me that it might be a server issue ...It occurred to me that it might be a server issue thinking about it there's going to be million's of people all hitting this at the same time maybe that's why a scenario wouldn't work. I know they built the instant servers up but I doubt they could all handle that many requests at once. Of course after the initial rush that wouldn't be a problem. Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-11682288235434568652014-09-11T17:58:07.363-04:002014-09-11T17:58:07.363-04:00I'm a hero, you're a hero, all of God'...I'm a hero, you're a hero, all of God's chill'uns are heroes. <br /><br />Fuer alle Zeiten<br />Dann sind wir Helden<br />Nur diesen Tag<br /><br />Es macht nichts.<br /><br />-roo "ja, das ist einen helden"-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-42521737107042144802014-09-11T15:51:19.186-04:002014-09-11T15:51:19.186-04:00North or south? It is which ever of the two optio...North or south? It is which ever of the two options you choose. Yes, it is phased. You will see yours and the other person, if it is different will see theirs. Nothing in them is really telling that it is yours. There are just two different options that can be there and you will see the one you have.<br /><br />If you wish to change which one you picked you can. It costs 10,000 gold to do so however. I really do hope they change that on live. Sure I might have the gold to do something like that but the vast majority of wow players never even see 10K gold at one time in their entire gaming life.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-11542761621959361932014-09-11T15:35:09.305-04:002014-09-11T15:35:09.305-04:00I haven't levelled enough on the beta to notic...I haven't levelled enough on the beta to notice, are the outposts phased depending on which option you choose at the beginning? I mean, like whether you go north or south in nagrand? Deliriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576124406751861955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-28184254539681466262014-09-11T15:28:24.777-04:002014-09-11T15:28:24.777-04:00IRL? There will be many commanding officers but n...IRL? There will be many commanding officers but not all assigned to the same exact job. <br /><br />However, this would fit better as a special ops mission which would be a small elite force going in to do one specific task and that would have only 1 commander. That is basically what we are doing. Going in, neutralizing a threat, and then we call in other troops after we have secured the area.<br /><br />That is why I say, from the moment we step into the dark portal until we break land on our garrison, we should be in a solo scenario.<br /><br />Sounds like you want to be the incredible hulk from the old TV show. I will call you mr banner from now on. ;) But I agree. It is more fitting for an MMO to just play the role of a wanderer. The quest you mention is in redridge. That is new since cataclysm.<br /><br />I do not mind the outposts being open zoned. You will only see yours but other see their own. It makes it look like lots of heroes are visiting your outpost. Like they are coming there for their orders because after all, even if they are players too, you are their commander as well. The outposts seem fitting to be open air. In my opinion at least.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-6247860933273361652014-09-11T14:47:26.040-04:002014-09-11T14:47:26.040-04:00Having a huge group of people int he same place ma...Having a huge group of people int he same place made sense in Wrath, and MoP, I thought. It fit with the story. Here it definitely doesn't. <br /><br />And you know, I don't really like being the commander. That's the real problem here. There should only be one commander. He or she needs to be in a solo scenario until your garrison is set up. That's the only way it makes sense. Even when setting up the garrison, I was thinking: why did that person just take that lumber tag from me? now I can't use it, and I'm the damn commander here. They obviously aren't there building their own garrison, because I'm the only commander in these parts. <br /><br />I think they created the commander aspect because during MoP, people complained about feeling like a soldier instead of a hero. But to me, being a commander is just a different type of soldier. So add to that that they didn't even succeed in making it fit with the world (thousands of commanders who all magically dissappear when you go to the garrison you're a commander of). <br /><br />I don't know if I'm the only one, but I liked the idea of a greek mythology type hero, who just wanders from town to town, saving people, performing amazing tasks. Even if that sometimes just means helping someone gather x venom sacs, or whatever.<br /><br />There was a quest chain, in early levels, for alliance players, where they saved a town from some Gronn (i think it was gronn, can't remember). And then you controlled a gronn and saved some people stuck under a boulder. i think that was the perfect kind of hero quest. It was a good mix of silliness, doing unimportant menial tasks, and doing important, saving people type tasks. <br /><br />Anyhow, yes, i agree. If they want to make us feel like commanders, they at least need to make that intro up through establishing our garrison a solo scenario. And they need to do solo scenarios when establishing outposts, too. I wonder if maybe the outposts should be phased as well, like the garrisons. <br /><br />I've never been in a war irl, how many commanders are there in one place, generally? Deliriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03576124406751861955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-90690764567659486572014-09-11T14:14:02.055-04:002014-09-11T14:14:02.055-04:00Nope, you are there with others. Now I have only ...Nope, you are there with others. Now I have only done it on beta and was not there for the stress test, so I can not say there will be "thousands", so to speak, but most definitely there were people with me each time I did it. I was not alone, I was not the hero, I was one of a bunch of people doing the same thing as I was doing. It is not a solo scenario.<br /><br />It should be just you and your team doing it, for story purposes, as I mentioned. I have no clue why it is not a solo scenario.<br /><br />How did you know that grom is really deathwing if you were avoiding spoilers? Well, guess you did not avoid that one. ;)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-52152368179554434602014-09-11T14:02:49.042-04:002014-09-11T14:02:49.042-04:00Wait, its not a solo scenario? Im not in the beta,...Wait, its not a solo scenario? Im not in the beta, but I thought it was called the Tannan starting scenario or something? If it really is gonna be a clusterfuck of my entire server all charging through the dark portal at once, then that is gonna suck. It worked thematically with other xpacs, but I assumed it was just you and the team of heroes doing the opening stuff in WoD.<br /><br />I will be unhappy if there are other chuckleheads interupting my immersion as the commander. Especially because all the spoilers Ive been dutifully avoiding will be shouted out in /1 as soon as I zone in.<br /><br />"Grom is actually alternate Deathwing in disguise"<br />"Thrall kills his own father, and dissolves into ectoplasm"<br />"Bill Murray voices Ner-zul"<br />"Aggra is actually male"<br />"Garrosh retires from war after winning MTV's cutest smile of 2014"Troutmonkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01862533672429720139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-38746823384076102022014-09-11T13:50:11.826-04:002014-09-11T13:50:11.826-04:00It seems like it would be the ideal way to do it f...It seems like it would be the ideal way to do it for story purposes. Not to mention the fact it will really make the flow of everyone in the same place a little staggered at least. I wish there were time to convinced blizzard to change it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-10960160500024378792014-09-11T13:36:05.236-04:002014-09-11T13:36:05.236-04:00All I can say is I agree, I'm a little bewilde...All I can say is I agree, I'm a little bewildered why they aren't doing it that way honestlyTigginoreply@blogger.com