tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post3681100577954770413..comments2024-03-29T05:19:30.673-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: I Support Removing Challenge ModesTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-71645406894943741562014-02-21T22:09:52.116-05:002014-02-21T22:09:52.116-05:00I am sure they will create something to be done wi...I am sure they will create something to be done with the professions to make up for the loss, just not sure what yet.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-49367812528515567092014-02-21T18:58:12.800-05:002014-02-21T18:58:12.800-05:00dang, how did I miss this?!? with all these chang...dang, how did I miss this?!? with all these changes, really, why should folks buy WOD? There goes the reasons why I have a jeweler, an inscriptor, enchanter, blacksmith, tailor, LW, engineer, and the one who takes herbs and make custom drinks with the flowers? <br /><br />-roo <i>"the one who really doesn't like changes"</i>-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-60855374077975105152014-02-19T23:00:20.841-05:002014-02-19T23:00:20.841-05:00Yeah, I am sure it will be a little easier to get ...Yeah, I am sure it will be a little easier to get a group even with only silver experience because people will be wanting to get it done. I have 2 silvers and a bronze I think, nothing more. But I am an experienced player so that might count for something as well. Perhaps people will be desperate to get it done and I can nudge my way in somewhere.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-46097820802079956792014-02-19T22:03:22.908-05:002014-02-19T22:03:22.908-05:00Ya I've seen a lot of groups run with that log...Ya I've seen a lot of groups run with that logic (no gold xp = no invite), and I never do that when I post my runs. Skill is far more important than experience in CMs. Sadly, I can see how it would be very hard to join a decent group as a single (low experience) dps. We keep running CMs because we're alt lovers and we like the transmog sets on various toons - if I only played one main character I would probably not still be this interested. It was also a personal challenge for me, I did the full gold runs on 4 different healers, and I liked being able to complete that just for myself. Just keep an eye out these days - all of a sudden tons of people are looking to complete them :) Wish you all the best!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08286081445546077025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-48968105756774620622014-02-19T13:09:39.083-05:002014-02-19T13:09:39.083-05:00I am thinking the sooner the better as well. I fi...I am thinking the sooner the better as well. I figure it will be in the 6.0 pre patch as well.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-61971481419156552772014-02-19T12:44:45.220-05:002014-02-19T12:44:45.220-05:00Seems like it'll be happening with 6.0... and ...Seems like it'll be happening with 6.0... and they probably have little idea when that will actually hit, at least in terms of dates they want to share with us at this point. When they have a date, they'll provide it. Ballpark, try to get it done by the end of April and you should be safe, I think.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-32097447246249867672014-02-19T09:29:17.140-05:002014-02-19T09:29:17.140-05:00I might give OR a try. A few months ago I attempt...I might give OR a try. A few months ago I attempted to get into a few groups and none of them would take me because I had no gold experience. One of those catch 22s there, you need to know how to do it to get into a group, but if you know how to do it that probably means you did it already and do not need to do it again.<br /><br />For me I would do them once, get gold, never go back. Just like I did with proving grounds on my characters. They are one trick ponies in my mind. Once you beat the challenge there is no reason to do it again, other than quick valor.<br /><br />You are the type of person I wrote about when they first announced challenge modes. I said there would be people that love it and would rather do it instead of raiding. I can see how for some people it can be a real rush.<br /><br />I bet if I had a group of 5 and we always ran together, it could reach that point for me too. To push myself to see if we can do it faster and faster but were I stand now I just want to get it done, how doesn't matter.<br /><br />I even looked up online about buying a carry. I might just end up going that route if I can not find a group. Never used any bought service on the game, but feel as if I want to get it done that might be my only option.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-50731864225819324402014-02-19T08:37:28.370-05:002014-02-19T08:37:28.370-05:00Good post, enjoyed reading it. My husband and I ha...Good post, enjoyed reading it. My husband and I have been doing challenge modes on and off since spring 2013, and we love running them. I get a bigger rush from completing golds than I do from downing new raid bosses. We are currently working on completing our 6th gold toons, and I'm pleased to see that Blizz actually said that you can still purchase your gear next xpac if you qualified this one (just in case I vendor something like an idiot..) If you really would like to get a group: openraid has done wonders for us. Our server is rather empty and we could NEVER find skilled, interested people. Just a thought :) *crosses fingers for CM transmog weapons next xpac!*Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08286081445546077025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-38180506210376655752014-02-18T15:03:42.699-05:002014-02-18T15:03:42.699-05:00It would really be nice if they gave us a time fra...It would really be nice if they gave us a time frame to work with on finishing these. I hate that blizzard is always so tight lipped with everything.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-40732719481293411752014-02-18T14:34:03.742-05:002014-02-18T14:34:03.742-05:00I skimmed the comments and didn't see the actu...I skimmed the comments and didn't see the actual full text of Blizzard's comment about the upcoming change, it's below for reference. Basically, the current MoP challenge modes will be going away in the future since the upcoming changes will be significant enough to make comparisons with current times unfair (either pro or con), sounds like in 6.0 when hit/exp are going away, but will be re-introduced in WoD for WoD dungeons... so, more of a competitive / ranked PvP model, which I think is appropriate in this context.<br /><br />Full text:<br /><br />Countless adventurers continue to brave the most trying versions of Mists of Pandaria dungeons, but the clock is ticking. This “season” of Challenge Modes will be coming to an end with the upcoming release of a patch prior to the expansion’s release.<br /><br />Challenge Modes are designed to offer as close to a “normalized” difficulty as possible, and they’re tuned to be tough to master. With Warlords of Draenor’s class changes, itemization changes (e.g. the removal of Hit and Expertise), and—of course—increased level cap on the horizon, the difficulty of Mists of Pandaria’s dungeons will no longer be tuned the same as they were. In the spirit of fair play, when the aforementioned patch is released a little while before the new expansion launches, the current slate of Challenge Mode dungeons will no longer be available, and the achievements they award will be converted to Feats of Strength. The reward items will still be available for purchase by those who qualified prior to the end of the season, but it will not be possible for new players to earn those rewards going forward.<br /><br />If you still need to earn your Undaunted title, Ancestral Phoenix, or class-specific Transmogrification sets, now’s the time to get out there and prove your worth. In Warlords of Draenor, an entirely new set of Challenge Modes will be available . . . and with them an array of new rewards for you to earn. Until then, stay sharp!Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-28459212472630536422014-02-18T13:43:48.982-05:002014-02-18T13:43:48.982-05:00Tell me about it. Finding the group is the hardes...Tell me about it. Finding the group is the hardest part. Doesn't help that I am not a social person so I am less likely to actively look for a group. But if I hear of one pop up I might join it. I am sure that is why I have not gotten it done yet. My circle or in game friends and real life friends do not want to do it, which means I do not get it done.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-10354568278135714032014-02-18T12:26:08.583-05:002014-02-18T12:26:08.583-05:00I liked this post TGE. I hope you get yours done -...I liked this post TGE. I hope you get yours done - with a like minded group you vcan achieve a lot. But like so many things in this game finding someone or a few someones who have the same attitude as you is harder than the challenge mode itself.Navimiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08504557372435466448noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-76910722620603151322014-02-18T08:13:19.648-05:002014-02-18T08:13:19.648-05:00Ah yes, current as it is designed for what we curr...Ah yes, current as it is designed for what we current have in game. Got ya.<br /><br />As long as it is adjusted as new things are added it will always say current (other current). But that becomes a question of if it is actually worth the time for them to keep it updated to work. Most would say no.<br /><br />There are a lot of people that are against them removing things. I am one of those people. Old raids like ZA and ZG should have never been removed, heck, old naxx should have never been removed. I am against them removing old content because what would it really hurt them to keep it in the game? They do not need to be kept up to date because it is old and intended to be easier when we go back. Challenge modes are on a different level however being they are always meant to be current difficulty wise. And I can support them removing them for later updating because of that reason.<br /><br />But that does bring me back to the other stuff now. Why the heck did blizzard remove all that stuff. I never got any of the ZG mounts even if I ran it all the time. I am still pissed they removed it and even more pissed they replaced it with the crap they did.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-21040954446271674552014-02-18T00:09:18.210-05:002014-02-18T00:09:18.210-05:00In retrospect, I believe we had a pretty bad team ...In retrospect, I believe we had a pretty bad team compossition, including 2 melee, which didn't help us:<br />- Prot Warrior<br />- Resto Druid<br />- Ret Pally<br />- WW Monk<br />- BM Hunter (Me)<br />We did start soon after we were geared enough to do MSV, so very early in the expansion. Hence we also did not have much gear with gem slots.<br />To those who were able to walk in a get golds first time, I applaud you. That is not an easy feat for most.<br />My group did start taking other guildies through once we had gotten our golds and we noticied a significant decrease in difficulty accounting by experience. Silvers were a cake walk, but golds were definitely still challenging.<br />SPM is by far the most lenient time requirement and that first trash pack is the hardest pull in it.<br />One we had the most difficulty with to get a gold time in was Gate of the Setting Sun. Lots of 1-shot deaths due to random bad luck.<br />Grumpy, my comment about 'current' content was in context of your main post points. 'Current' in this case was meaning in context of being tuned for the abilities existing in the game right now. Obviously the dungeons can be re-tuned to account for the differences in: gear gem slots, new talents, etc. but the rewards can show the player completed that content when it was designed to be completed, regardless of later gear scaling.<br /><br />Good to see some spirited discussion was raised here! :-)<br /><br />Cheers, Bronebeard (Saurfang-US)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-51856705584050308622014-02-17T19:35:58.536-05:002014-02-17T19:35:58.536-05:00I think with one or two experienced people and the...I think with one or two experienced people and the rest dedicated to learn you can knock out all golds in 4 or 5 hours easy. But that is a big if, finding the group like that.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-34514144137818035042014-02-17T14:18:06.055-05:002014-02-17T14:18:06.055-05:00I think there are several were the first trash pac...I think there are several were the first trash pack is the hardest pull of the run... And at least on all of them, the hardest thing to do will be a trash pack, not the bosses. That's what makes it fun as a hunter. We're well equipped to deal with a half dozen mobs who all have the ability to kill you. :)<br /><br />To whoever asked above, in our group that did all golds in one night (one long, 6 hour night...) we had a tank who had already gotten 2/9 golds, and a healer who was maybe 7/9. The healer's experience helped a ton. <br /><br />~DeliriumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-87181301570709888082014-02-17T11:26:28.557-05:002014-02-17T11:26:28.557-05:00I did get a group that got past there, we killed t...I did get a group that got past there, we killed the first boss which was super easy compared to the trash, and then everyone quit saying it was not worth the effort.<br /><br />It comes down to I just need to find people that want to play like I do. Most players just do not like a challenge.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-73321985012413617492014-02-17T10:52:17.771-05:002014-02-17T10:52:17.771-05:00The first trash pack is the absolute hardest part ...The first trash pack is the absolute hardest part of the instance because the tank may get cced and hammered down. I can see ppl wiping there. But if you pass that, it's clear sailing, trust me.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-90731367432722010762014-02-17T10:31:58.320-05:002014-02-17T10:31:58.320-05:00SPM was the one I was talking about that the group...SPM was the one I was talking about that the group could not even get past the trash at the beginning. The group with people that were in the #1 guild on my realm.<br /><br />I was trying to get a group so I could get the shado master title and that was the last thing I needed for it, the gold.<br /><br />Easiest, sorry, have to laugh, after my attempts with that group I would have to say highly unlikely.<br /><br />But that just fits my luck.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-16056395204860770512014-02-17T10:28:10.797-05:002014-02-17T10:28:10.797-05:00Shado-Pan Monastery is probably the easiest of the...Shado-Pan Monastery is probably the easiest of them all, it's the kind you one-shot. The first time we did it we got to the end and we were missing a mob. So we went back and started killing bear packs. But those don't count, it seems. So we cleared what we had skipped and went back all the way to the first bridge (where the skeletons shoot flame) and we killed some sha we skipped there. And we were still left with something over a minute of a timer.<br /><br />Maybe only Scholomance easier and more time forgiving, but never really compared.<br /><br />Stormstout Brewery though... ugh... we did it in the beginning, with 3 melees. I still have nightmares... <br />And the second time I think still with 3 melees. What was it... pala tank / priest / warrior / rogue / ret pala and pala tank / resto shaman / frost dk / frost dk / rogue<br /><br />I like them. They are very fun the first time around. We also had crap setup most of the time (2+ melee) so they were interesting to figure out to say the least. Setup helps if the whole team is inexperienced.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-23974044315526801112014-02-17T09:07:42.215-05:002014-02-17T09:07:42.215-05:00You had people willing to work on it, do progressi...You had people willing to work on it, do progression on it if you will. That is my issue. I can not find people willing to do that. And at this stage in the game no one want to do them unless you already have a gold in them and know what to do. <br /><br />I am going to try to find a group that is rededicated because they know it is being removed. Hopefully that will push some people that were not willing to suffer a few wipes and do it a few times to do it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-59584747910671371362014-02-17T06:33:23.641-05:002014-02-17T06:33:23.641-05:00Yeah, instances (which are important, I think): fi...Yeah, instances (which are important, I think): first gold that took two tries was Mogu'shan Palace, second gold that took four tries was Temple of the Jade Serpent, silver that took two or three tries was Shado-Pan Monastery (god, it's so long...). I heard the most difficult was Stormstout Brewery, but that was after the run, otherwise we'd try that out.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-9422173444330056432014-02-17T06:23:45.831-05:002014-02-17T06:23:45.831-05:00"An interesting question I ask of those who w..."An interesting question I ask of those who went in and got gold the first night: Was the group you ran with already experienced with Challenge Modes or not?"<br /><br />My group (see my post above, two guys I arena with and two guys I barely knew whom we picked up via gchat / voicechat) was all new. We weren't aiming for anything, just wanted to try it out. First gold took two tries, second gold took four, then we had two (or three?) tries with silver, then we called it. I did some reading beforehand (so we all had invis potions / ambers from the start, some of us even had separate heads with non-legendary metas, and we had a good setup - blood-rdru-ele-frost-ret). We determined what to skip / kill on the fly.<br /><br />I don't know. Again, not to boast, but it felt very straightforward. As in, you don't get gold on the first try almost solely because you don't know how many mobs apart from the skippable ones you have to kill, but that's it. Interestingly, none of the bosses were problematic, all restarts were caused by inefficiencies on trash (eg, an overeager pull followed by a wipe).PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-71156556706582532242014-02-17T02:30:29.520-05:002014-02-17T02:30:29.520-05:00I guess I need to get myself a group then. As a c...I guess I need to get myself a group then. As a collector of sorts I want the title and the mount. Don't care of the mog stuff, it is not good looking anyway. But the title and the mount as well as the achievements I would like to get.<br /><br />"current" means nothing with scaled content. Even if you did it 35 years from now it is still current. So no need to differentiate between people who did it when mists were out or not. As long as it is returned it is just as current in warlords as it was in mists.<br /><br />I have no golds, so can not speak. But I did grab an experienced healer once with just a decent set of people and we got a silver no problem. The only one that has ever even stepped into it was the healer. I am sure if I could get that group to run again a gold would not have been out of the question. Problem was, after doing it once, none of them had any desire to do it again.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-58976569899538278462014-02-17T02:26:19.085-05:002014-02-17T02:26:19.085-05:00Tank dying too easily. Healer going OOM. Lots of...Tank dying too easily. Healer going OOM. Lots of issues. Healer probably went OOM because fight was 1, lasting too long and 2, the DPS were standing in stuff they should not have been standing in. And because DPS matters they had to heal them, and the tank died.<br /><br />Too many wipes means start over and everyone quits.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.com