tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post3324194357994204265..comments2024-03-29T05:19:30.673-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: What is Up With the Legendary Ring Proc?TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-83761282190079261962015-05-04T09:38:31.911-04:002015-05-04T09:38:31.911-04:00Well, in organized raiding it will be popped when ...Well, in organized raiding it will be popped when the raid leader calls for it, like time warp. It will make it easier to plan around. The only thing that will mess it up is when you get someone that just wants to pop it on cooldown which will happen a lot in pugs and LFR.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-7434191021405292972015-04-29T06:43:53.913-04:002015-04-29T06:43:53.913-04:00I wonder how classes like BeastMaster hunters whic...I wonder how classes like BeastMaster hunters which rely heavily on CDs/proc stacking will be able to manage a proc which pops-up completely randomly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-29009908328799365972015-04-20T10:02:34.926-04:002015-04-20T10:02:34.926-04:00I do have multiple blood DKs. So you never know. ...I do have multiple blood DKs. So you never know. ;)<br /><br />He gets it and he is right. Blizzard is going the wrong way with RNG and have been more and more lately. The ring is just the next step in moving to pure RNG.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-23267334187240638982015-04-20T09:57:05.808-04:002015-04-20T09:57:05.808-04:00The healers share one and the tanks share one. So...The healers share one and the tanks share one. So as Ril said, there are three separate cooldowns.<br /><br />The healers and the tanks are in the same position really. What if the healers wanted to rotate theirs for different healing moments? They can not. Or tanks for cooldowns when they need it, they can not. Bad idea for all classes and specs over all as I see it.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-10970271016652400772015-04-20T09:55:31.852-04:002015-04-20T09:55:31.852-04:00@Thuggs
I said the same thing, in most groups the...@Thuggs<br /><br />I said the same thing, in most groups the melee will be the person of choice to get this. The explosion on a ranged would mean nothing in most cases. So merry christmas melee.<br /><br />I do not mind my ring helping others in the raid and them getting some benefit from my ring, but as you said, I should get 100% of it and what I share should be less. Not I give 100% and get less.<br /><br /><br />@ Ril<br /><br />Range issues sometimes happen for me but that is more a matter of me watching and learning where the tanks move so I can adjust with them as they do. Most of the time, not all but most, range issues are just a skill issue in learning the group you are with and how they move.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-6627780455246837062015-04-20T09:43:26.270-04:002015-04-20T09:43:26.270-04:00You mention something that is really at the heart ...You mention something that is really at the heart of the issue.<br /><br />The raids will be designed to "need" the ring to complete them. It will be 10 people with the ring facerolling or 10 people without it banging their heads on the wall.<br /><br />The proc is too strong as a raid cooldown. Paired with time warp and all the cooldowns on the pull everyone will be seeing SoO numbers in the 200 - 300K range. We already see burst coming close to 200K and we are not even raiding mythic, this is just normal and heroic gear. Can someone say stat squish fail? But that is another story.<br /><br />At least with the cloak you could say, when you get that your numbers will increase. It was a blanket upgrade, not a raid cooldown.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-85846692020725890512015-04-20T09:39:00.250-04:002015-04-20T09:39:00.250-04:00I do agree with you that it was a F U to log and s...I do agree with you that it was a F U to log and such, which is a nice side effect, but there are bad points with that as well as good.<br /><br />I like to see how people in similar gear do so I can learn from them. If I look at logs I can get details from that and try to get better. With some random boost it throws that off. They could "beat" me when they really did poorly, based on luck, I could "beat" them when they are better, purely based on luck.<br /><br />I am 100% against anything that is luck based and think that is lazy design from people who have no imagination and no desire to code anything that might be considered work.<br /><br />I do agree it is an awesome idea. But there is a huge difference between doing an idea for a fight, like it could be a mechanic of a boss fight, and doing it for something that I worked for.<br /><br />I worked for the ring, it is my ring, it is my proc. I am not going to leave my proc up to RNG and someone else getting it instead of me. My ring, my proc.<br /><br />The idea might be a solid idea. But my gear should give me a boost, not you. Simple as that. And it sure as hell should not be left up to RNG is I get the proc off my own ring or someone else does. No, seriously, no.<br /><br />I get you like the concept and so do I. That original idea was just a dreadfully poor implementation of it. Maybe we can see something like that in the future.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-35402939631808113822015-04-20T09:23:17.779-04:002015-04-20T09:23:17.779-04:00I would get it using the same rules for the explos...I would get it using the same rules for the explosive shot procs.<br /><br />Explosive shot will always proc when...<br /><br />You are on the hooks, when you are frozen in place, when you are falling through the floor, when you are out of range, when the boss is immune to damage, etc. Basically, you will always proc, 100% guaranteed, when you can't use it.<br /><br />I think the on use idea is find, but we should each be able to use our own when we want to.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-58936768473205705002015-04-20T09:20:19.641-04:002015-04-20T09:20:19.641-04:00And you know, being the person that activates it g...And you know, being the person that activates it get an additional 25% you know that DPS hogs will be spamming it on cooldown so "they" can get the extra 25% being the one that hit it.<br /><br />This means it will often get hit not when it is needed, but when it is off cooldown by the person that wants the buff from it so they can up their numbers.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-23406828358598598992015-04-20T09:18:41.061-04:002015-04-20T09:18:41.061-04:00Now you are feeling it. ;)Now you are feeling it. ;)TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-61012498648687897722015-04-20T09:18:18.496-04:002015-04-20T09:18:18.496-04:00That would be kind of cool, sometimes like when th...That would be kind of cool, sometimes like when the boss is under 25% you transform and it increases your damage.<br /><br />I could easily see how this is capable of being abused, and I would be glad to abuse it. Target a mob under 25% for the damage boost and then AoE, so even if everything else is full health you are getting the under 25% boost to the damage.<br /><br />But over all I kind of like the idea of something more bad ass like that. Transforming you at a certain point.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-8447375270873280162015-04-20T09:14:22.973-04:002015-04-20T09:14:22.973-04:00I am upset because it is my ring that should give ...I am upset because it is my ring that should give me a proc and if it has an on use it should be decided when I use it based on my needs because it is my ring.<br /><br />I do not believe something that is mine should be capable of being use whenever someone else wants to use it.<br /><br />How would a feral druid like if someone else activated his berserk whenever they wanted to and the druid had no control over it?<br /><br />How would a resto shaman like if someone else activated their healing totem whenever they wanted to and the shaman had no control over it?<br /><br />Get the idea?<br /><br />My on use.<br /><br />I do not want someone else activating it against my will.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-80604029600461878282015-04-19T15:38:38.965-04:002015-04-19T15:38:38.965-04:00blood DK troxism who maintains the megathread over...blood DK troxism who maintains the megathread over at the mmo-champion forums mostly agrees with Grumpy.<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1607763-Blood-DK-Warlords-of-Draenor-Patch-6-1-Guide-(Long-but-has-TLDR-Version)?p=33331768&viewfull=1#post33331768" rel="nofollow">Blood DK Warlords of Draenor Patch 6.1 Guide (Long but has TLDR Version): comment #783</a><br /><br />begin quote<br /><br />I wouldn't put it past them, since these actives, and the EVEN WORSE ones before it actually made it out of the design meeting without being laughed out of the room. I absolutely HATE these legendary rings in the next patch in basically every way; they are SO BROKEN that encounters will be designed around them (GL if you aren't up to date on the questline on one of your alts), (or they will just trivialize fights), they favour burst classes ridiculously (I'm talking about DPS here), and they are ripe for trolling in random raids where some idiot just pops them (assuming they share cds, because if they don't holy shit they are completely broken) in their swifty macro. And that is just some of the problems with them.<br /><br />Too much Blizzard trying to make something 'cool' and not enough actually thinking for more then 5 seconds about the consequences. For them it's all about flashy and fun, instead of things that work well and are actually reasonably possible to balance. Goes along with their direction of making specs simpler and more RNG based, just so that everyone can be a winner, just have to win the RNG lottery (see Beastmastery for the perfect example of shit players doing amazingly with great RNG, and it's not the fault of the players they made the spec that way).<br /><br />end quote<br /><br />wait, are you troxism? lol<br />--<br />regards,<br /><br />regardsanonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-58026832540595149562015-04-17T13:35:50.349-04:002015-04-17T13:35:50.349-04:00when the ring is being activated, you get a 25% bu...when the ring is being activated, you get a 25% buff which is entirely to your benefit. your part of the AoE will also be credited to you.<br /><br />and i can guarantee that most raids will want to use it where it is most useful, and probably for everyone. either on CD, or in crucial phases which help downing a boss.<br /><br />As for your dps sacrifices, honestly, there is not a single encounter apart from Imperator mythic where hunter tasks can lose you dps in the current content. Kiting a siegemaker or standing in orbs shouldn't have any effect on your DPS whatsoever. If there are range issues, you should discuss this with the tank then because that shouldn't happen.Rilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-11978024767157540732015-04-17T13:30:08.402-04:002015-04-17T13:30:08.402-04:00they each get separae CDs that somehow work togeth...they each get separae CDs that somehow work together. so there will be 3 mechanics, depending on role.Rilnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-9697784163829971022015-04-17T12:25:23.340-04:002015-04-17T12:25:23.340-04:00We have all been talking about DPS and not having ...We have all been talking about DPS and not having control over our own ring, but where do healers with rings fit in?? Or tanks?? Thorbartinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-4704624658275644222015-04-17T11:45:46.715-04:002015-04-17T11:45:46.715-04:00My core issue with this latest design is simple. I...My core issue with this latest design is simple. It takes my ring and its ability and turns its core benefit over to the raid for management. First, I cannot control when it is activated, as the team lead will decide. Second, I will not be the one activating it. If you doubt this, think about it a few seconds. If the activating person has a large AOE burst at the end of its activation, you are going to want the dps that is surrounded by the most targets within that 20yd radius. Happy Birthday, melee, you get a free every 2 minute boost to your dps on top of the ring's boost.<br /><br />I do not think it is selfish or unreasonable for me to want to benefit from my ring, and for my ring to benefit me just as much as it benefits another person who has done the work to get it. With this design, it doesn't. Some say, the DPS chart race isn't important. As a hunter, I often sacrifice my dps to get the job done, Engineer duty on Garrosh, Belt duty on Siegecrafter, Siegemaker duty on Blackhand, Ball Catching duty on Koragh.... I sacrifice my dps all the time for the benefit of the team, to make sure the mechanics get done right. That's what a good raider does; whatever it takes to down the boss. But to, by design, say screw you melee is always going to have this advantage over you in numerical contributions? Not to mention MM's damage is going to be linked to distance from target, so doubly screw the MM.<br /><br />Its just a lot of feel bad moments that you don't get the 100% benefit from your own ring. You get 80% of its benefit (or some appropriate math proportion of the dmg)Thuggsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-47674134958939351302015-04-17T11:06:07.867-04:002015-04-17T11:06:07.867-04:00On the surface it sounds pretty cool, BUT (that...On the surface it sounds pretty cool, BUT (that's a big but btw). WTH are they thinking? I can see in raids after the first wipe those without rings being kicked, if they were alowed in in the first place. And with all the problems Blizzzard has balanceing things, how the heck do you balance this? 10 people with rings faceroll, or 10 people with out rings can not complete it?<br /> Or does the raid scale depending on the number of rings being used? If so what is the point of having a ring? Please Blizz your sticking it up your own if you let this go live. Make the ring affect the person using it and that person only, it worked with the cloak. Some people had higher numbers then others but overall DPS did not depend on how many cloaks you had in a group so much.Thorbartinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37164081132931211982015-04-17T08:27:40.298-04:002015-04-17T08:27:40.298-04:00Essentialy grumpy, what I get of your post is : &q...Essentialy grumpy, what I get of your post is : "this is why we can't have nice thing".<br /><br />I LOVED the first itteration of the ring proc for a few reasons :<br /><br />- It was something new and that alone make it really awesome<br />-On average it was the same damage boost for the raid<br /><br />-and the best part : it was Blizzard saying a big "F**k you" to rankings cause it would have all been RNG and comp dependent.<br /><br />You may wonder why I like the last part, esspecially the RNG bit? Well it's easy, here is an example : my group killed Mythic maidens yesterday, but it would have died a week ago if people where not so obsessed with rank and DPS.<br /><br />I do understand some of the concerned, but I grow tired of people complaning that blizzard does nothing new, and then the same people complaining again when they try something new without even trying it out.<br /><br />So yes I definitely see how and why that procs had made it into the client. It was an awesome idea and I would love to see it come back in one way or another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-69112770358354501302015-04-17T05:29:53.672-04:002015-04-17T05:29:53.672-04:00I tend to give Blizz the benefit of the doubt in m...I tend to give Blizz the benefit of the doubt in most cases but this idea is just mind-boggling.<br /><br />My legendary ring has just been turned into a raid cooldown and my Raid Leader will decide when we use it (and probably be the one to actually 'use' it)<br /><br />As a raid cooldown, encounters will be designed around it therefore making it pretty much irrelevant.<br /><br />I even preferred the RNG-heavy older design! <br />Our raid group would have just had a bit of fun and a laugh at the crazy RNG but at least I would have felt the power of it at times. <br />I just know the mage in our group would be the one to get it on the pull every time though haha<br /><br />Grumpy, with your luck, you would be getting it while on the hook flying over to the boat on Iron Maidens, or dropping through the floor on Blackhand (or insert 6.2 mechanic when you can't actually hit anything)<br />You just know it would happen! :-)<br /><br /><br /> Solahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08193184689961780585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37252200860042458322015-04-16T18:04:04.804-04:002015-04-16T18:04:04.804-04:00shared cooldown, dps buff, sounds like Bloodlust o...shared cooldown, dps buff, sounds like Bloodlust or Heroism, or that magey buff (time warp)... Just now only for legendary ring wearers and now it gives the wearer the buff they could use for their class and not a shared "haste" buff.. Sounds pretty awesome.. and yes, necessary for dedicated raid groups.. The only hold up for people trying to catch-up would really be the things they have to solo, aka my nemesis the proving grounds (maybe this weekend if I have time). Elkagorasahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16868176919786509891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-83211117800343124522015-04-16T14:32:10.432-04:002015-04-16T14:32:10.432-04:00It is MY ring. Mine Mine Mine!
My precious. It is MY ring. Mine Mine Mine!<br />My precious. thorbartinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-14082826740127915242015-04-16T14:10:33.217-04:002015-04-16T14:10:33.217-04:00"YOU HAVE FACED MANY CHALLENGES. PITY THEY A..."YOU HAVE FACED MANY CHALLENGES. PITY THEY ARE ALL IN VAIN!" Right before you get that Legendary Ring ability stated above and commence to kicking him in the face!!! Just get all that frustration and anguish out from dealing with this expansion. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136845814680794385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-31104046443214314462015-04-16T14:09:06.843-04:002015-04-16T14:09:06.843-04:00During the pause, the boss could throw out some di...During the pause, the boss could throw out some dialog to the effect of, "do you really think you can beat me?" "What is this?" "What are you doing? You'll ruin everything!" (last part was borrowed from the Blood Furnace of Burning Crusade, how appropriate).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136845814680794385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-3248555226009133952015-04-16T14:05:30.712-04:002015-04-16T14:05:30.712-04:00When we think Legendary, we think of HUGE FINISHER...When we think Legendary, we think of HUGE FINISHERS!! That's what people remember about wrestlers, it's what we remember about fight scenes in movies, it's what we remember in sports (let's think of Carlton Fisk's homerun in 1975, Kirk Gibson in 1988, and the immaculate catch steel in the most recent Super Bowl). <br /><br />The Legendary Ring should emulate those things. It shouldn't be a proc. It shouldn't be an on use item. It should be bigger than that. And because this is the last raid of the expansion (which means the last real opportunity to use the Legendary Ring), it should mesh with it somehow. <br /><br />So think of this, you are fighting the Raid Boss and when his/her/it's health gets to 25%, there should be a pause. Those with the rings should have spotlights (literally) shown on them and then maybe they go through some transformation (not too crazy here, something like the Druid's deal with the extra armor) with GLOWING WEAPONS to show how all the effort and waiting around to get the Legendary Ring to get to this point.<br /><br />And now the final part, extra damage and a 12 sec cooldown finisher button till the boss dies. This would be a huge upgrade for classes/specs that don't have an "execute" ability (Warrior Execute, MM/BM Hunter Kill Shot, etc) and those classes with one would have it replaced by this finishing ability. <br /><br />This would be the stuff of legends and everyone would want to be part of this Legendary Business. Just the announcement would have people drooling. Players want a memorable experience and this would definitely give it to them. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09136845814680794385noreply@blogger.com