tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post1539736476528294185..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Valor Changes are Not EnoughTheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-52019913022564276212012-11-05T10:48:53.476-05:002012-11-05T10:48:53.476-05:00I did not lose anything material or long term, bes...I did not lose anything material or long term, besides heat, I am freaking freezing. :(<br /><br />But I can not complain, I made out a lot better than many. So if being cold is my biggest problem I made out good.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-47703239688689213162012-11-05T10:33:03.796-05:002012-11-05T10:33:03.796-05:00hiya Grumpy! OMG, I did not think you are in that...hiya Grumpy! OMG, I did not think you are in that part of the US. You make all sorts of sense like you are a Mid-Westerner. :D I just saw how you are making out on your latest post - glad things are getting back to normal. I do hope you didn't suffer any loss in material or any one was hurt(both animal and human). <br /><br />-Roo the Hunter<br /><br /><br />-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-12193981239662425482012-11-05T09:05:54.701-05:002012-11-05T09:05:54.701-05:00Had some really bad weather issues here in NY. I ...Had some really bad weather issues here in NY. I am back and all is well with me.<br /><br />Glad they worked for you.<br /><br />I think they come from bosses in dungeons, but if you are not doing dungeons I have no clue where they are coming from. That is a really good question.<br /><br />Yeah, you can cap out on quests only if you do a lot of dailies, that is for sure.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-45799273605534587542012-11-05T09:04:09.752-05:002012-11-05T09:04:09.752-05:0050%, but capping takes forever. By the time I cap...50%, but capping takes forever. By the time I cap my main more than half the week is gone already. Unless I want to waste hours and hours on end doing dungeons at the extremely horrible rate of 40 per dungeon.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-15009412136391584162012-11-05T09:03:15.992-05:002012-11-05T09:03:15.992-05:00Quest bear... I love it. ;)
My hunter is my main,...Quest bear... I love it. ;)<br /><br />My hunter is my main, my druid is my alt. So far I have not been able to raid at all on my hunter because we are in need of a tank, so I am raiding on my druid.<br /><br />Sad part is, my hunter has all the rep and all the gear and my druid I sometimes feel I am holding back my team because I do not have the rep needed to buy anything with the valor I have. Capped, and nothing to spend it on. Sucks.<br /><br />This expansion is not alt friendly at all.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-23884747619281269652012-11-05T08:59:17.765-05:002012-11-05T08:59:17.765-05:00@ MattewG
I have zero desire to do any of the dun...@ MattewG<br /><br />I have zero desire to do any of the dungeons or scenarios. However, I agree, that is the best way to do it and will be the route I go.<br /><br />Doesn't help the fact I want to valor cap my main on tuesday, so the rest of the week I can get an extra 50% with my alts. <br /><br />Not to mention people like Jaeger who can't be on every day. There is a reason they changed it to 7 per week from 1 per day. Perhaps they forgot that reason and need to be reminded of it. They changed it for people like Jaeger, who can't play every day, or people like me, that want to log in on tuesday and cap ASAP. <br /><br />They need to go back to the 7 per week model. We got spoiled and we want it back. You can't give us candy and then take it away before we are finished eating it. That is exactly what they did with that change.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-47732330958150467252012-11-05T08:54:48.969-05:002012-11-05T08:54:48.969-05:00Jaeger is right, rep only.
If you are valor capp...Jaeger is right, rep only. <br /><br />If you are valor capped on one character for the week all other characters on the same server get 50% more valor from everything that gives valor. That is what you might be thinking about.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-5425672121807080512012-11-05T08:53:23.355-05:002012-11-05T08:53:23.355-05:00@ PvP anon
Sorry for the late response.
I agree ...@ PvP anon<br /><br />Sorry for the late response.<br /><br />I agree with everything you said but look at it in a bigger picture sort of way.<br /><br />Blizzard does not design the game to be played by one person any more. They want people having alts, as many of them as possible. Hence the reason for heirloom gear and adding more every chance they get. Hence the reasons a monkey can level from 1 - 80 in less that 2 days played.<br /><br />They are designing the entire game around making it as easy as possible to have multiple character, they want people to have multiple characters. They should add support for that at max level being that is what they want.<br /><br />I think MoP was designed brilliantly. So an active player, like myself, that plays with only one main, it is perfect design.<br /><br />I do not play only one character however. Also, anyone like me, that achieve player, will not be the one character type of player because of who we are.<br /><br />MoP was designed for me and I love it. It is rare I get to say something in game looks like it was made for me and makes me feel like they listened. This is exactly what I wanted... at the beginning of wrath, one I still only had one character maxed.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-14302053549042164762012-10-31T16:12:53.393-04:002012-10-31T16:12:53.393-04:00Happy Halloween! Haven't seen you in a few da...Happy Halloween! Haven't seen you in a few days Grumpy - hope everything is ok. Anyway, thanks for the macros from the other day - they were needed. :D<br /><br />As far as valor goes, I really don't go looking for it or JP. I seem to get it every time I turn around. I don't think I capped them even weekly, but they are there. But I did notice, I am getting justice points and I have no idea from where. I don't do instances, so I am thinking some of the dailies are given it instead of valor. Am I on just some very good drugs or is there a possible problem with the way things are working with MoP and valor? As always - Good hunting to ya!<br /><br />-roo-abhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14899567485973250660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-30613214287010609252012-10-31T09:33:02.950-04:002012-10-31T09:33:02.950-04:00Isn't there a 40% buff to the rate you earn va...Isn't there a 40% buff to the rate you earn valor on alts once you are valor capped on one for the week?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-45568312780580191262012-10-31T08:17:54.004-04:002012-10-31T08:17:54.004-04:00I'd have to find the link (it was on MMOchamp)...I'd have to find the link (it was on MMOchamp) but Blizz Twittered that they went back to the daily-chore system for the Random Dungeon Bonus because '7/week instead of 1/day made LFD feel like a job to people'.<br /><br />The excessive gating is there because the themepark Raid model is in reality unsustainable, Devs can't keep up with putting new Dragons in front of players, especailly companies with glacial development cycles like Blizzard. <br /><br />So either they artifically extend the lifecycle of such content (gating) or they let their game mature/return to more sandboxy and RPG-style games (which neither the Blizz Devs nor the vocal minority of their subscriber base wants).<br /><br />Or, argueably more likely given how they e.g. react to people missing removed features, the Blizz Devs are simply too detached from reality to expect them to act like rational beings. NetherLandsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-14608963972950055642012-10-30T20:27:44.840-04:002012-10-30T20:27:44.840-04:00Most people (myself included) don't have time ...Most people (myself included) don't have time to play every day. So the lower benefit for the 2nd run per day is really crappy for us. We have to do twice as many just because we can't play every day. It's no wonder I've only capped once since Mists. Yet, I capped every week during the later part of Cata: LFR + a few dungeons and you were capped.<br /><br />I really don't understand why they gated things so much AND made valor gear inferior to raid gear. If they wanted to slow down gearing, do one or the other but not both.Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-78040579574129952112012-10-30T20:23:15.207-04:002012-10-30T20:23:15.207-04:00I think the reputation gains are doubled; not the ...I think the reputation gains are doubled; not the VP.Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37438371935519707602012-10-30T09:53:24.820-04:002012-10-30T09:53:24.820-04:00I ran into the same problem this expac, I wanted m...I ran into the same problem this expac, I wanted my RDruid to be my PvE toon, and my Hunter to be my PvP toon, My hunter is my Achievement whore/completionest having 12.7K achieve points before MoP. So my Hunter is the one doing the dailies for the rep,achieves, mounts,pets,ect. While my RDruid hasnt done 3 dailies since MoP dropped. (you know how bad it sucks questing as Resto?) So while my Druid is the one that needs the rep, my Hunter is the one getting it all. Shared reputaion would be an amazing thing right now. <br /><br />This is the first xpac where i have to decide between 2 toons to play... and it sucks. I hate alts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-21038569545489111352012-10-29T11:37:21.063-04:002012-10-29T11:37:21.063-04:00Just one dungeon and one scenario per day will get...Just one dungeon and one scenario per day will get you to 840 valor. Throw in another couple random dungeons and you're at the 1K cap, easy-peasy.MathewGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02490938657354510847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-68281925736762018802012-10-29T05:16:46.931-04:002012-10-29T05:16:46.931-04:00IIRC they said they are changing VP to double once...IIRC they said they are changing VP to double once you reach revered with a faction.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18173436197557929355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-36598889570081727172012-10-27T16:36:15.646-04:002012-10-27T16:36:15.646-04:00Well-said.
Alts are basically a luxury, not a nec...Well-said.<br /><br />Alts are basically a luxury, not a necessity, and changing them to necessities will only lead to misery.<br /><br />If they ever do feel that people shouldn't interact with other players to fill out their Profession needs (ie make WoW even more of a Massive Single Player Game) it would probably be better to just lift the limit of two on Primary Professions (they can always balance new raid content to whatever amount of Profession bonusses they feel should be 'mandatory' for the 2% ers) as at least that way the game would retain a shred of integrity as MMORPG.NetherLandsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-27156887787891676602012-10-27T02:55:23.110-04:002012-10-27T02:55:23.110-04:00PVP anon here.
I don't raid and don't eve...PVP anon here.<br /><br />I don't raid and don't even cap valor every week, but it seems to me that the cornerstone issue is this:<br /><br />How many characters should they expect people to play on, and how much time should one spend per week capping each character (maybe there should be a difference between capping the main and capping the alts).<br /><br />The answer to the "how many characters" question has historically been: one. As in, you can cap and play on more than one character, but that automatically makes you semi-hardcore and, generally, is not easy.<br /><br />You are talking about this here and I see this in PVP all the time as well. Speaking of people playing for several hours a day in the evening (a fairly common scenario), it seems that if you play only one character, capping is very easy. You generally have enough time to do whatever it is that you want to do in a week, and perhaps have some time left. If you play one main and have a couple of alts, which you don't treat very seriously (eg, do some AH or farming with or maybe level from time to time because they are not 90 yet), that's OK as well. But the moment you decide to have two or more characters that you will cap and play on every week, you are in trouble.<br /><br />I don't see this changing unless they change their expectations about people having only one main. Now, the question is, do you want them to change their expectations? Should they expect you to play on, say, two characters a week, and adjust the caps / rewards accordingly? I am not sure I have a strong opinion here... There are huge pros and cons both ways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com