tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post1115230431504266876..comments2024-03-27T07:57:48.010-04:00Comments on The Grumpy Elf: Are you part of the + or - 4%?TheGrumpyElfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-37385806350347760062013-12-10T07:20:14.404-05:002013-12-10T07:20:14.404-05:00That is another valid point to support what I said...That is another valid point to support what I said. I can only guess based on what they presented and they resented tainted data.<br /><br />I would actually guess the asian completion rates are much higher than the MA/EU ones.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-11988588018960158332013-12-10T00:18:38.445-05:002013-12-10T00:18:38.445-05:00No, the 4% number is bogus, since the MMO-C number...No, the 4% number is bogus, since the MMO-C number was NA/EU, while the 7.7 million includes Asia. The numbers are from two different populations.Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-87831031989431292592013-12-09T16:10:19.859-05:002013-12-09T16:10:19.859-05:00I don't recall where the tourist mode comment ...I don't recall where the tourist mode comment came from either. I've seen it quoted so many times that I just take it as it has always been there. For all I know it could be an urban legend and he never actually said it.<br /><br />But even taking the comment you posted, it is not for the most casual of casual raiders. Real casual raiders that are casual about raiding, do normal, like my guild. The casual they are talking about are part timers that want to do it whenever they have time. They, for the most part, are not raiders.<br /><br />One or two runs through flex. They did help a lot. One shot the 1st boss, 2nd boss, 6th boss, the 9th boss and the 13 boss. So 5 were one shots. The 1st, 2nd, and 13th were actually killed before we did it in flex as a guild. So three were without previous practice.<br /><br />Shaman is one of those bosses where you could end up wiping if you are having "one of those days" even if you had done it 10 times before.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-29823325403884555692013-12-09T14:53:09.263-05:002013-12-09T14:53:09.263-05:00It's funny, I keep seeing that GC has said all...It's funny, I keep seeing that GC has said all of these things about LFR being "tourist mode" and such but can't find any original source for it. Here's the one actual comment I was able to find by GC about LFR (this one for DS LFR, it pre-dates MoP):<br /><br />"We have a Raid Finder system that will work a lot like Dungeon Finder to allow more casual raiders to get into the content."<br /><br />I can recall seeing NOTHING since then in terms of official or unofficial Blizzard communications that LFR is anything less than that, it's meant for casual raiders, not non-raiders. That's why I've claimed all along that it's the right difficulty for the intended audience. If you or anyone else can actually provide a source quote to contradict this I'd like to see it...<br /><br />You one-shot 4 normal SoO bosses?! How much practice did you already have from Flex or LFR at that point, though? Those cut down hugely on the number of attempts if you cut your teeth there.<br /><br />I still don't see that but as usual, agree to disagree, I think the LFR difficulty is GENERALLY okay and the fights that they make too hard on LFR are usually too hard on other difficulties, too (stupid Shaman).Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-80522646029939129712013-12-09T09:54:58.799-05:002013-12-09T09:54:58.799-05:00I think you kind of sum it up with what you say. ...I think you kind of sum it up with what you say. If they want to expand the raiding player base they need to expand it on the LFR level. <br /><br />Being they can not make it compelling content as a challenge, because that does not work in a random setting, they can change the LFR to a gearing up tool, as it should be, and stop trying to treat it as a raid, so to speak. Just give people a visual taste of what a raid looks like and let it be super easy like dungeons. That might get more people into raiding, at least at its lowest level.<br /><br />I think even if TI was 4 times the size it would have lost its luster just as quickly. There is nothing else there to make it exciting and there are many problems with it to begin with that do not even touch on to the lack of content it offers at its base. Don't get me wrong, I like the timeless island, but it is good for one week and then to go kill some rares once in a while for lesser coins. But that is all it is good for.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-47088861751484677082013-12-09T09:32:16.898-05:002013-12-09T09:32:16.898-05:00How do you think they got the names of who to look...How do you think they got the names of who to look at to see if they had the achievement?<br /><br />They went to sites that track raid progress and/or achievements. For someone to be listed in those they usually need to have searched for themselves, or someone in their guild searched for themselves.<br /><br />With that said, someone who would actually search for themselves, putting them in the survey to begin with, is much more likely to be the type of person that would have finished it because if they care enough to see how they are doing, they are attempt to do good.<br /><br />So the survey information will surely be inflated. Asking 100 republicans if they like a bill put up by republicans will get you a much higher rating of approval. Searching 100 raiders to see if they have a raiding achievement will get you a much higher percentage of people having it.<br /><br />They did not random choose names, the hand picked and targeted the easiest ones to survey, ones that already raid. So the numbers would be inflated naturally.<br /><br />If you honestly think they picked a balanced selection of the population to check you are sadly mistaken. I would bet my life on that.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-33089693481183179132013-12-09T09:22:28.979-05:002013-12-09T09:22:28.979-05:00You make a valid point. You would figure everyone...You make a valid point. You would figure everyone would at least get one shot in on a world boss, and all the world boss numbers are kind of low when looking at the big picture. Of course the newest being the lowest.<br /><br />LFR is supposed to be "sight seeing mode" to steal some words from our departing crab friend. It is not supposed to be progression.<br /><br />Less than 10 is the standard for any non gimmick fight that is not "hard" with real raiders on normal. There are usually a few one shot bosses each tier, there were 4 this tier that we one shot. However, that is how raiding with real raiders, even if they are lesser skilled, because they are actual people that want to raid. You will have some push overs, some that need attempts, and then you will have horridon.<br /><br />Flex is destroying LFR. The better players like you are not there to help them any longer. This is why I say they need to lower the difficulty of LFR being they can no longer count on the good knowledgeable players being there.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-72376228946650638022013-12-06T00:09:35.196-05:002013-12-06T00:09:35.196-05:00I'm not surprised at all. Only a very small p...I'm not surprised at all. Only a very small percentage of the player base has ever raided. I didn't think LFR was changing that a whole lot and it doesn't look like it has. I have never done much raiding, but I've completed the first two tiers in LFR and i'm sure I'll give the remaining tiers a go before the next expansion when I've got nothing better to do. However, I've never had the time to be a hardcore raider and I don't find LFR to be very compelling gameplay at all. I don't know if other players are like me or have other reasons they don't raid. It surprises me that blizzard puts so much resources into it for such a small number of the player base though. I was really surprised they cut the mid-expansion to dedicate to the resources to raiding. I saw a stat that something like 30% of the player base ran those. Hopefully they've learned their lesson there from the feedback they've gotten, but there's a lot of other things that more people play that they can put resources into to. TI was a good concept, but needed to be 3 or 4 times larger to really get what they were after with the whole exploration thing. It is really quite small, and after the recent server merge our server went through, has way too many players competing for the same mobs, completely killing the fun. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-66736354289629966262013-12-05T19:33:07.633-05:002013-12-05T19:33:07.633-05:00No man, they survey 2.9 million accounts of them o...No man, they survey 2.9 million accounts of them only 11% had the achievement. it’s like a survey of 1000 people on an election say 500 of them support an issue that because they know that the sample size is big enough they can extrapolate that 50% of voters support that issue. In this case MMOC sampled 2.9 million accounts they found that 11% of them have completed the raid, because the sample is big enough they can extrapolate that 11% of all accounts have completed the raid. Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-76818319715252694572013-12-05T16:16:28.883-05:002013-12-05T16:16:28.883-05:00Can't infer too difficult either, could be tha...Can't infer too difficult either, could be that only 20% of active players have even tried LFR. 60%+ may not even have the gear to queue for it. You and me being interested in raiding and generally playing in a raid-friendly way doesn't make us the majority. Hell, I'd expect anyone who gives even the SLIGHTEST amount of thought to gear would have killed a Celestial at least once... the latest MMO-C numbers indicate that only 24% have. 24%. So, I'd say the LFR pool is at MOST 24% of the active player base so comparing that to the 11% completion rate for SoO, that means that almost 50% of anyone who cared enough to kill a Celesial has killed Garrosh. I don't know about you but I think that's a GREAT completion rate, higher than I'd have expected.<br /><br />I've said it before and others have said it as well, LFR isn't for us, that we're not running it right now means that things are finally going in the direction they should have been going all along... heroic raiders run heroic, normal raiders run normal, flex raiders run flex and LFR raiders run LFR. There'll be a bit of overlap but if they've managed to get the game to place where we all find our comfy spot, that's only a good thing. LFR doesn't have to be good for normal raiders any more than heroic has to be good for a flex raider.<br /><br />Without knowing the attempt rate you can't know the completion rate, it's that simple. And it's not supposed to be "easy", we've had that conversation before as well, it's supposed to be progression content for LFR raiders. The average number of attempts to kill on a new boss in the first week of LFR was probably... what, 5? 8? Maybe less, but let's say 8. What was your average number of attempts for a new boss kill (not lowest, average for all) on flex? Normal? Probably higher than that, especially on normal. By that logic, which I think is the way it should be looked at, it IS easier even for the intended audience.<br /><br />Bah, I'd argue with that as well even though I have no idea what that number is. Raiding isn't COMPLETING, it's just showing up and poking things with sticks with some expectation of success. Even assuming boss kills required to count, using the same chart, 40% have completed SoO 1... almost twice as many as have killed a Celestial. Again, that's a great number... and I guarantee that 40% of active accounts in BC weren't killing current-tier raid bosses, especially with multi-month attunements required. Maybe it was 10%, maybe it was 5%, maybe it was 2%... but it wasn't 40%.<br /><br />Side note - if I wasn't running flex I probably would be running LFR. That's likely a factor as well, flex being around makes it much easier to get an organized run than in any previous patch. The pool of players for LFR is smaller than it has been since it was released.Rnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-13507190900949368792013-12-05T16:07:32.627-05:002013-12-05T16:07:32.627-05:00I know, that is why I added the ones they did not ...I know, that is why I added the ones they did not count. They only counted the ones with the achievement for wing 4 (and people in the guilds with those people). Hence only counting 2.9M people.<br /><br />Their 11% is probably extremely accurate for the "raiders". My expanded 4% basically just includes those that escaped their scan because they are not raiders or not max level.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-21683734843306747072013-12-05T11:31:07.362-05:002013-12-05T11:31:07.362-05:00Actually they don’t want to survey the other 4.8 m...Actually they don’t want to survey the other 4.8 million accounts go read what he wrote again. It’s a sample not a full count. If it was a full count they themselves would have gotten to the 4% but they didn’t. Tigginoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-40062946594383967142013-12-05T10:02:12.355-05:002013-12-05T10:02:12.355-05:00That is the way I figure it. I figured I would ex...That is the way I figure it. I figured I would extrapolate their data over the entire 7.7 million when in fact the 4.8 million this is not counted is probably substantially lower as they are not raiders and / or not max level.<br /><br />While I am sure my "guess" is not accurate and their number is not exact either, I do believe that it might be relatively close to the actual numbers because the people that do have kills will most likely have looked their character up in one place or another at some point, or been in a guild that had someone who did at once point, and thus most will have been counted.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-42513841460907968952013-12-05T09:01:53.164-05:002013-12-05T09:01:53.164-05:00I thought about this some more, and I think you ar...I thought about this some more, and I think you are right, it's hard to say what 11% for 2.9 million will translate into for 7.7 million.<br /><br />Here's what I believe MMO-C are doing to collect their data:<br /><br />They can't just go to the armory and ask for all possible names of players, because the number of possible names is prohibitively large. But they can go to the armory and ask for names of all players in a specific guild on a specific server, and they can collect names of guilds via data gathering addons (wowhead used - and likely still uses now - such an addon as well), so they do that.<br /><br />That's what others do (bar wowprogress, where people register their guilds themselves), plus that vibes with their caveats that their data might miss players that aren't in (active) guilds.<br /><br />Now, if MMO-C do that, the characters they are missing are either guildless or in small family-and-friends-type guilds that are inactive enough to fly under the radar of the addons that do their /who's from time to time. It is entirely possible that these characters aren't max-level and just aren't interested in raids. There should be *some* correlation between "relatively inactive" and "doesn't raid" after all. So, yes, participation rates for players who aren't in the MMO-C scan might be lower.<br />PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-11210430951826939142013-12-05T08:13:26.627-05:002013-12-05T08:13:26.627-05:00I am not 100% certain with that, but seeing some o...I am not 100% certain with that, but seeing some of their previous data collections sited they got the data from those sources I would believe this data had to come, at least in part, from there as well.<br /><br />The last I heard GC say, which was some time ago near the end of cata, less than 50% of players even have a max level character.<br /><br />Good luck if you try. Guild leading and recruiting are hard jobs. I would not want to be in that position, but if you are into that sort of thing, you might be in a good position right now.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-26124748362041597042013-12-05T08:09:06.770-05:002013-12-05T08:09:06.770-05:00Congrats on the LFR 1 shots. I did it in LFR once...Congrats on the LFR 1 shots. I did it in LFR once, was trying to get that 4th tier piece for the set, had the others from normal. Was lucky that it only took 3 pulls if I remember correctly. Never went back, no need to, there are easier ways to get valor and there is nothing I need there. My alts however... :(<br /><br />I guess it is also more fun with friends. My problem is none of my friends want to run it. They would rather wait for a flex run so I find myself trying to get more of them going or going on to open raid to find a run.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-8362309280621216382013-12-05T08:08:52.139-05:002013-12-05T08:08:52.139-05:00If it's just the accounts on GuildOx/WoW-Progr...If it's just the accounts on GuildOx/WoW-Progress, then it's horribly skewed towards raiders or people who want/try to raid, so the percentages are definitely inflated.<br /><br />So until the collection methods are explained completely, I won't trust the data and I'll assume that the numbers are worse than those being reported since that's always been my assumption regarding raiding. I remember Blizz even saying that a large group of players don't even have max level characters... Just wish they'd give out actual stats.<br /><br />Regarding the guild... I don't know. No plans at this point. Going to sit on it for a week or so at least and then maybe do some re-org/cleanup. Beyond that, I don't know.Jaegernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-92225923137425807012013-12-05T07:51:38.776-05:002013-12-05T07:51:38.776-05:00There really is not a rush, but like any other gam...There really is not a rush, but like any other game, people like to beat it. The fact that so few have been able to could be viewed as a success or a failure, depending on how you look at it.<br /><br />A success because it could make it last longer or a failure because it is too hard for the players.<br /><br />I think it is a failure on both parts. Not to rush it, but because people are already burning out on it, even not doing all the versions, so having not done it in such large numbers and being burnt out on it, I can only see that as bad for the game. And the being to hard part, look at the world we are living in. Cheat codes, over powering games, guides for how to do everything, the average player does not want hard. Challenging maybe, but hard, no. That is where blizzard made their miscue with LFR. They tried to make it challenging, but with random groups that challenging just feels like hard, and hard is not fun when you are with a whole bunch of people that you can blame any failures on.<br /><br />So there is no rush with it, but it is not fitting with the standard time frame of your average game player in todays society.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-80347877094705500412013-12-05T07:44:32.205-05:002013-12-05T07:44:32.205-05:00Read the reply I made to Tiggi above to see why I ...Read the reply I made to Tiggi above to see why I believe (but could be wrong) that the numbers are actually correct. It goes to the way they collect data, the are collecting it from a place that tracks people that make the kills, so it is a good place to collect it from.<br /><br />40% of the people have not stepped into the raid, 40% of the people might not even have max level characters for all we know. MMO-C only counts max level characters because only max level characters can get the achievement. So the number of actual "players" is much lower than 40%.<br /><br />LFR is hard, not sure why people keep saying it is not. It is extremely hard for the people it is aimed at. Send any "raid" team in there, even from a guild that is only 1/14 normal mode, and LFR is piss easy. But for the people it is aimed at it is hard. Do not judge LFR by my standards or your standards, it was not recreated for people that know how to play. It is hard, very hard, annoyingly hard, for the people it is meant for.<br /><br />Blizzard does have a problem on their hands. Even if we disagree with the numbers and how MMO-C came up with them and what I deduced from the, we do agree there.<br /><br />The fix is easy really. Make LFR for groups filled with the people it is meant for. Stop making LFR thinking people that know how to raid will be in them to help everyone that doesn't.<br /><br />If you will notice something from the comments here, not many people that raid are doing the LFR. No one here did. That is why the completion rate is so low. The people that used to carry the group through it have no reason to be there now thanks to flex and the failure of LFR is now being seen as bright as day.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-16913536685770015562013-12-05T07:35:34.340-05:002013-12-05T07:35:34.340-05:00You are someone that skews the records as well as ...You are someone that skews the records as well as you have killed the last boss but do not have the wing achievement and the wing achievement is all that can check for. But that is really why it is + or -. To handle situations like that.<br /><br />The 2.9M they scan are the accounts that show up on sites like wow-progress or guild ox. Which usually means people that the majority of people that raid. So those numbers might be fairly accurate, more than anything anyone would be able to collect without using them.<br /><br />Better for anyone active to be in charge. Do you plan on trying to rebuild?TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-91807085346774810182013-12-05T07:30:02.448-05:002013-12-05T07:30:02.448-05:00I've only done LFR for the last year (adding a...I've only done LFR for the last year (adding a little flex as guild groups have room.) My true ability level before that was normal-mode, sometimes almost clearing, sometimes doing a few heroics depending on the tier.<br /><br />I got my Garrosh kill 2-3 weeks into it being available in LFR. It took 4-5 queues before I got that successful group, and my groups are guaranteed to have at least one healer awake and at-keyboard :( I really just wanted that quest out of my log, and some experience in case I got into a Flex.<br /><br />I didn't go back until a few friends came back to the game and started LFR-ing for gear. My last 3 runs have been one-shots of him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-58620948246202385742013-12-05T07:25:30.206-05:002013-12-05T07:25:30.206-05:00But what you are not taking into account is that s...But what you are not taking into account is that scanning for everyone with the wing 4 achievement.<br /><br />That means the 4.8M not surveyed either 1, did not have the achievement, or 2, were somehow missed which is entirely possible.<br /><br />With that said, saying that 4.8M probably do not have a wing 4 kill is probably really accurate. The few that "might" have done it and are not counted are easily offset by people like me that show up as 6 different players. So that 4%, while guess work, is most likely very accurate when speaking in reference to MMO-Cs 11% if we were to take that as fact.<br /><br />It is not like they didn't want to check those 4.8M, they just could not find any data on them having completed wing 4. From that you could, and I did, extrapolate that they do not have the achievement and thus did not do it.<br /><br />The drop off from 40 to 11 is because wing 4 is too hard for LFR people when actual raiders like yourself are not doing LFR to help them along. The way I see it, there really isn't a question there because the answer is really that simple. If only the people at blizzard would notice it. I doubt they will.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-81124261375542730112013-12-05T07:18:29.561-05:002013-12-05T07:18:29.561-05:00@ Anon 1
Not really carried. Someones DPS being ...@ Anon 1<br /><br />Not really carried. Someones DPS being there making it easy makes it easier. They are doing their job by making the fight as a whole easier. Just because they can do it without you doesn't mean you being there is not a benefit to all.<br /><br />Week 1 when SoO came out on the first boss it kind of took a few people by surprise (my healers I would guess) and we ended up 7 manning the first boss. Does that mean we carried 3 people? Does that mean that being from day one we could 7 man it that we are always carrying 3 people? No, it just means it is easier with 10. Carried means when everyone is doing 200K and one person is doing 60K they are carried. But when everyone is doing 200K and someone is doing 150K, they are contributing at a reasonable clip. In my opinion at least. Needed or not, they are not being carried.<br /><br />@ Anon 2<br /><br />Generally expected? Yes. Actively done? No. Many tanks might think to know when to taunt and such, but personal survival and how best to use their active mitigation is actually something that requires timing and thinking, a lot more than just saying taunt at 3.<br /><br />Our tanks are pretty good, I do not normally need to tell them to use their cooldowns past telling them the point of what to look for. Say something like tortos with his snapping bite, all I said was he will keep doing that, it is his big hit, make sure you have something rolling for each one. They handle it from that point on. The only time I would call out of something is if I see healers down and know a big moment is coming because I am not sure if they notice the healers are down.TheGrumpyElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07621615711198405365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-73556219790497640152013-12-05T06:23:13.560-05:002013-12-05T06:23:13.560-05:00I still haven't killed Garrosh. My guild has o...I still haven't killed Garrosh. My guild has once, a couple of weeks ago making us #1 alliance on the server (yup my server is that dead) but I wasn't there and we haven't done it again since.<br /><br />I've only done odd bosses on flex if we go flex instead of normal as I already give 3-4 evenings a week to raiding normal. Flex is scheduled on other nights and I just can't do it. So I've barely touched flex despite how looking forward to it I was. I just don't have the time. I tried so hard to persuade my guild leader that we didn't need to raid normal so much, but he wouldn't listen. Now we have what another six months of Mists? We're starting heroic and failing hard so far, it is my sincere belief that we'll burn out, we'll hit a brick wall we can't pass on content we've never done (we're not an hc guild) and so we really, really need to slow down. I might be co-raid leader but guild leader calls the shots on the direction of the guild and he loves raiding, he's obsessed with it and raids 6 nights a week, so yeah he's not going to listen. Anyway that's off topic.<br /><br />LFR. I haven't set foot in Siege LFR once. I loathe LFR and I decided as I didn't have any reason to go, I didn't need the gear, I had the legendary etc. that I wasn't going to torture myself. Mists has killed alts for me so I don't play them at all now so I don't actually play Warcraft that much but that's also off topic.<br /><br />So yeah I won't count in those figures as I've not actually done it yet. I think when the guild killed him there was only one or two who hadn't done it elsewhere. I'm certainly the only one showing in the group who doesn't have the Judgement legendary achievement, so I'm pretty sure the rest have now completed it on something, though there's obviously a handful like me that weren't there for the normal kill.<br /><br />We have another 6 months. To be honest I'm already feeling a bit burned out on Siege. This is from someone who has never run LFR, and barely ever run flex. Just from running normal every week I'm getting a bit sick of the place. Another 6 months of it and well I hope we make 6 months. Basically what I'm saying is I'm in no hurry to get him down.<br /><br />In my head I'm pretty much done with the tier, I've never cleared heroic while it's current and don't really have any ambition too. If we do manage some hc kills it'll be a nice bonus I guess but I'll come back next expansion and clear it for the achievements, so I'm not bothered if I do it now or then. I like to clear normal when it's current, that's what I like to do and want to do, that's my sort of level as a raider. Normal clear while current and I'm happy. Heroic while current and I'm mega stressed, I like fights to feel doable not impossible, I don't enjoy banging my head against a brick wall. Again off topic.<br /><br />I'm not worried if people haven't done it yet. Perhaps they are smarter than the rest of us and are taking their time. We have another 6 months after all. What's the rush?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17771213542953346538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9015737272343810105.post-91647444084803111802013-12-05T02:22:23.193-05:002013-12-05T02:22:23.193-05:00Tiggi above is correct.
Whether or not the 11% fo...Tiggi above is correct.<br /><br />Whether or not the 11% for SoO wing 4 for 2.9 million accounts mean it would be 11% for 7.7 million accounts depends on MMO-C sampling method. I would guess that they are getting their numbers by scanning guilds. The number of guilds isn't so large and so it is possible to get 90% of all active guilds whose members appear in the world from time to time via things like data gathering addons (sites like realmpop.com list guild names, for example, you can check their data, most of the guilds that aren't one-man that I know of are there). It works much worse with character names, because it's much easier to skip a character that way than skip a guild. If my guess is correct and they are getting their numbers by scanning guilds, then their numbers are likely pretty accurate, and 11% for 2.9 million translates into 11% for 7.7 million.<br /><br />Wrt numbers themselves. I think LFR accounts for something like 75-90% of all activities, maybe more. We had data before that was suggesting that. 40% for wing 1 is overall, impressive, but perhaps that's only 7-10% of "real raids". And that's with flex, on the patch that introduced it (=the hype), and on the last patch of the expansion. And 11% of wing 4 is perhaps only 1-2% of real raids. Again, that's with flex.<br /><br />Is 40% of people setting foot in raid and downing the first wing - on any difficulty - big? I would say so. They did want to get many people into raids, they got them, 40% is a lot (and that's perhaps 50% because some people might have beaten only part of wing 1).<br /><br />Is 11% of people competing the raid on any difficulty big? No. Mission not accomplished. LFR is nothing hard, you can complete it *easily* if you care about the mechanics, etc. The drop from 40% for the first wing to 11% for the entire raid shows that people don't care much.<br /><br />Is 1-2% of people completing the raid on non-LFR difficulty big? LOL. No. That's a disaster. That's the absolute proof that the raiding model is old and boring and no longer good enough to hold players in the game. Nobody cares about raids! LFR is the only reason they can justify developing new raids, really. Without LFR, raids are going to be empty. And I think a huge number of people who do LFR do it not because they like raids, but because they have nothing else to do and because LFR is the only thing that drops gear (bar PVP, but that's a side-game, and the gear is worse than even LFR for PVE). They can easily drop out from the game at any moment (and I believe they do drop out in numbers, both until WoD and permanently).<br /><br />Blizzard have a problem on their hands.PVP anonhttp://nowhere.comnoreply@blogger.com